الأربعاء، مايو ٢٤، ٢٠٠٦

Apes and Swine

No I’m not talking about my latest visit to the zoo, or the farm. I’m not talking about cheeky monkeys hanging from trees and eating bananas, Mr Murphy (my daughter’s purple monkey)...and not the funny Ape in the Optus commercial. Nor am I talking about cute little pink pigglets kids get to feed at the farm…Miss Piggy…or Babe.

I am talking about Jews and Christians!

Yes ladies and gentlemen, Jews and Christians. (read David's post)

For if you are a student in a Saudi school, you learn (among other things) a different kind of maths and biology:

Jews = Apes
Christians = Swine

As for manners…well you learn that you wouldn’t let an “infidel” pass comfortably in a narrow road…no! no! better be a bully and impose yourself on their space.
Don’t you dare greet them with peace! (after all whats the point? you might have to blow'em up one day)
And certainly don’t make friends with them!

Now that you are programmed to hate/demean/disrespect them...as you graduate they remind you how important Jihad is.

How sweet!! I bet Bin Laden was a star student.


Anonymous Red said...

George W Bush should have bombed the hell out of Saudi instead of the hapless Iraq. The Saudis are the most evil supporters and exporters of terrorism in the world- Those bastards are buying their way into the minds (!!!) of millions of mindless Muslims. And I hope that I dont have to say one day “I told you so”.

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Blogger CMinor said...

Meanwhile, a book I just finished (The Language Police, by Diane Ravitch) details the consistent bowdlerization of textbooks, exams, etc. in U.S. school publishing to the point at which making a negative statement about anybody or anything (unless, of course, he's a dead white male, preferably Christian)is verboten. Islam, of course, gets the kid-glove treatment or the publishers would never hear the end of it. Now, I know this sounds crazy, but...could there be a double standard at work here?

Apologies to Bent for occupying her blog to respond to someone else, but I noticed in the comments to the last post that Mohamed mentioned me by name as having been offensive.

Now, Mohamed, if something I said offended you, I am sorry that is the case, but I am hard pressed to guess what that would be. I went back over what I wrote and and it consisted pretty much of:

1. Points about the Q'uran and Islamic belief that exemplify for me why I do not subscribe to that religion.
2. Points about prevailing attitudes in Islam that make me despair of there ever being a peaceful airing of differences and mutual respect between Muslims and non-Muslims.

Why is it a legitimate line of questioning when you do it and an offense against you when I do it? My beliefs are as important and sacred to me as yours are to you.
Please consider this point carefully and contemplate whether your own remarks might not have been a bit careless in places. I don't think you could reasonably argue that some of your compatriots' remarks haven't been.

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Blogger Egypeter said...

cminor -

I read everything you said and found NOTHING offensive in it.

What I am about to say is not in reference to our muslim friend Mohamad. Mo, you're at least making an effort to understand, and thank you for that:

With that said, I find it apalling and absurd how Christians must tip-toe around offending muslims. Try speaking out against Islam in a Muslim country. LOL. Many muslims will react violently to any PERCEIVED insult to their faith. And at the same time they can call non-muslims pigs and swine from their mosque loudspeakers and during many of their venomous sermons! They can criminalize other religions and hurl insults at other religions...but if you say one word against Islam they will "smite at your neck" (taken from Quran)

Where is the outrage in that?

Muslims are ready to slit the throat and "defend their religion" of any who they think attacks Islam (like the Cartoon Intifada) or muhammad yet they can call us pigs and swine without fear of retribution.

Is that not hypocrisy in its purest form?? How can one demand respect for their religion and then disrespect other's relgion? I will never understand it. Ever.

What would happen if Pope Benedict or Pope Shenouda called muslims "pigs and swine?"

What would happen in the muslim world?? WWIII, that's what.

Do you know the reason for the fundemental differences in reactions between religions?...look no further than each religon's holy book.

And because of that I fear, like cminor, that there will be no "reformation" in Islam. I think it is almost impossible to reconcile muslims with the rest of the world.

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Blogger Bent El Neel said...

Hi guys
Thanks for your comments.
Cminor: No need to apologise, you are welcome to contribute anytime 

As I typed this post I braced myself for the accusations that are to come…many will perceive the very fact I posted about this an insult to Islam. I hope it isn’t perceived this way because I simply am not interested in insulting anyone’s faith. I hope people see the post for what it is: criticism of indoctrinating children with such hateful jargon.

If there is an attack on Islam here, then it was committed by those who choose to fill the minds of the young and impressionable with this hate and rejection of others different to them in faith. Many people say “but Islam is peaceful and encourages Muslims to live in peace”…well, here you go! These Saudis are attacking your faith then. They are raising generations of young people who believe otherwise. They are teaching them and the rest of the world that Islam is not peaceful, it demeans people who follow other faiths, and it encourages you to be downright hateful, racist, nasty individuals

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Anonymous Red said...

bent said "... many will perceive the very fact I posted about this an insult to Islam"
Unfortunately, Islamists led by the Saudis have scored another success with you bent!!
Islam should not be and is DEFINETLY not Saudia Arabia's own, the same as Christianity is not the preserve of one race or place.
When I attacked the Saudis in my earlier post above it was simply because they've explioted the fact that Islam's holy places are in Saudia Arabia. The Saudis are IRRELEVANT but for their sinister influence and the use of their petro-Dollar without which they would be a nobody in the world. And in my books they are a nobody.

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Blogger Christian Crusader said...

I think the fact that Muslims seem so desperate to hate us must tell us something about how brittle and fragile their false religion is.

I don't hate Muslims, but then I despise their religion. If one reads the Koran, it is a confusing jumble of non sense and justifications of Mohammed's sins.

He plagerised Biblical stories(badly) and contradicted himself, verse after verse. In one whole section of the Koran, Mohammed admits, Satan talked through him!!

Allah describes himself as a schemer and a ploter, he tells us of his desire to torture infidels in Hell, while he will reward his faithful with a celestial brothel!

Allah also tells us we are all predestined to Hell or paradise!

Well if that is true, why bother worshipping him?

This is one twisted deity!

That is why I beleive, Mohammed was either a madman, or possessedof the Devil!

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Anonymous غير معرف said...

stop it plz

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Anonymous Red said...

anonymous said "stop it plz" obviously to the saudis.
And I agree 200%

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Blogger CMinor said...

And now, for a Nerd break....

So, Bent--
I'm assuming that last little bit of Arabic from Mohamed was excerpted from the Song of Solomon? It came through the machine translator in pretty chewed up state so I'm having to guess.

The explanatory notes in my New American translation state (edits for brevity only):
"Describing the relationship in terms of human love, the author simply follows Israel's tradition. Isaiah...Jeremiah...and Ezekiel all characterize the covenant...as a marriage...there is no reason for surprise at the tone of the poem, which employs in its description the courtship and marriage customs of the author's time. Moreover, the poem is not an allegory in which each remark...has a higher meaning. It is a parable in which the true meaning of mutual love comes from the poem as a whole."

The notes add that the poem can also be seen as a portrayal of ideal human love.

If you understand that married people are prone to ridiculously hyperbolic endearments, you can easily grasp the point that God loves His people to the point of foolishness. And based on the notes, it would seem that the first people to hear this song would have recognized its style as typical of what they were used to hearing.

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Blogger Bint Alshamsa said...

I was extremely disappointed the first time I read about how people of the book are referred to as swine and apes by many muslims. It is truly a shame when religion is used as an excuse for hatred. It is a shame and, unfortunately, it is reality.

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Blogger Bent El Neel said...

I do hope you read my comment stating I didn't post this or any other post to insult anyone!! These textbooks are attrocious and they need to be addressed.

How many more angry hateful young people do we want wreaking havock in our already fragile world?

Spot on! I never liked those translation thingimijigs anyway...they're hopeless...but you my dear got it right inspite of them :)

I have found a wonderful wonderful wonderful site for interpretations and contemplations in the Holy Bible...unfortunately it is in Arabic. I'll post it in another comment for those who are interested and can read Arabic. But yes what you said is correct, it is a way of expressing God's love to His people and vice versa. At the time, this language was not seen as shameful or lustful.

Christian Crusader
Welcome! I love your photo...that's a beautiful cross :)

I echo your sentiment regarding hating Muslims...we as Christians do not...simply do not...hate! It goes against our faith. As for the religion Islam itself, well it along with any other religion in the world is open for criticism and examination.
If you are going to force yourself onto the world stage...be prepared for scrutiny! The time for blind submission is rapidly disappearing.

Bint Elshamsa
Welcome! I visited your blogs and I truly admire your spirit. Thank you for your contribution and I couldn't agree more.

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Blogger Bint Alshamsa said...

I am so happy that I stumbled onto your blog. I hope you don't mind but I have added your blog to the links on my page. I will definitely be visiting your page often.

Your sister in Christ

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Blogger Bent El Neel said...

Good 2 hear from u mate. I don't really have too much respect for the Saudis...but I can't disregard them completely!! They have a dangerous combination of fanatic ideology and money...tonnes of money!! They are able to fund and support terrorist activities everywhere in the world. In the very least, they are able to fund the spread of this hateful ideology...that can't be good!

Bint Elshamsa
Mate; you've lit up the blog :)

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Blogger xavier said...

Welcome to the comment section :)
I've read some of your posts at the My private Casbah blog. Vert moving and I look forward to your recovery :)

It's tiresome eh to listen to these fanatic mouth off like that at non-Moslems. Then they turn around and cry whenever the world turns their backs on them, expresses their dislike of them or complain that they're being 'victimized'
Since they reject Jesus' teachings, they can't appreciate the signifigance of loving your neighbours and enemies too.
Moslem behaviour reminds me of Genesis' assessment of Ismael: that he'd always be a troublemaker and manage to set everyone against him

I've concluded similarly as you about Islam's inherent brittleness and have said so numerous times at my blog. Without the gun, the bom, the sword and the threats, Islam's apologetics aren't too reasonable.


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Anonymous Red said...

الامير تركي الفيصل يدعو الى الصبر واعطاء الفرصة للحكومة السعودية لتنقيح المناهج

Fast forward 10 years.

الامير تركي الفيصل يدعو الى الصبر واعطاء الفرصة للحكومة السعودية لتنقيح المناهج

The most offensive and disturbing aspect of the Saudi school text books is that it's wide spread in other Islamic countries such as Egypt, albeit to varying degrees of deception and fanaticism, AND the fact that neither the Saudis nor the Egyptians will do anything about it unless and until they're sprung- It is interesting to note that the Saudi issue was raised by, amongst others, expat Saudi dissedents. The sinister side of this is that it shows that the Saudis, the Egyptians, and by and large most Muslim dominated countries have very little if any remorse about the atrocities their fellow Muslims committ against non Muslims, be it 9/11, Madrid, London, Bali or anywhere else. It does not auger well for a swift or even clear solution. What is needed, really, is not only new school books but rather new schooling for the "old dogs" than dominate the Muslim nations

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Anonymous Red said...

PS I apologize to those that may not be able to read Arabic- the translation is "Prince Turkey Al-Faisal (Saudi Ambassador to US) asks for patience and to give a chance to the Saudi Authorities to review the text books"

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Blogger Mohamed said...

Sorry Neferteeti,Away from our calm and rational discussion I want to comment this post,

And what the whole world call us -Muslims-(and you follwed them)?!!!!You call us terrorists,atavisms,mad,killers,savages...etc the list is full.

What I know that Jewish are called descendants of apes(and the story is known(The people of saturday on the sea))but themselves aren't called like that..And this name is for just Israelis not Jewish..
Any way;we're ordered not to swear any body..so I hate to call Israelis(the enemy)like that.

And who said that you're called like that?!!Muslims are ordered to respect all peoples specially people of the Book!!!!

What is your neutral source you brought this information from?!!!

As for our discussion;take all your time..I may reply after my exams..
As I told you I aim at Tafawok not just Naga7:)So I should intense in my exams to gain Tafawok:)

Bye till we continue..

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Blogger Bent El Neel said...

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