tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-172907712024-03-24T05:19:54.229+11:00NeferteetiJohn 18:23 - Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.comBlogger101125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-58869394768914353632009-09-12T00:11:00.006+10:002009-09-13T14:19:25.669+10:00الرد على تساؤلات "احساس لسه حي" -- جزء 2<div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">سلام و نعمه</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">اولا اعتذر لتأخيري في الرد على تعليقك </span></strong><a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=17290771&postID=2024470275583778999"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">هنا </span></strong></a><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">و اللي كان لظروف مرض بنتى.</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">قررت افراد تدوينه خاصه للرد على تعليقك يا اخ احساس لأنى وجدت فيها نقاط متشعبه كثيره يصعب الرد عليها في تعليق.</span></strong></div><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></p><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">***</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><em><span style="font-size:130%;color:#003300;"><strong>. ليس احد صالحا الا واحد وهو الله .ولكن ان اردت ان تدخل الحياة فاحفظ الوصاياطيب ما الكلام واضح اهو انه انسان زيه زينا ولا جواه اله يخليه صالح ولا هو جوه الاله لان لا اله الا اللهيعنى ولا جوه حد ولا حد جواه ولا اى شئ غريب زى ده</strong></span></em></div><strong><em><span style="color:#003300;"></span></em></strong><span style="color:#000000;"><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"><br /></span></div></span><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">أرجو ان حضرتك ماتكونش من النوعيه اللي بتأخذ النص و تتجاهل سياقه لأثبات شئ بعينه. </span></strong></div><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></p><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></p><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">+ ها هو النص في سياقه</span></strong></div><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></p><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></p><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;">" 17 وَفِيمَا هُوَ خَارِجٌ إِلَى الطَّرِيقِ، رَكَضَ وَاحِدٌ وَجَثَا لَهُ وَسَأَلَهُ:«أَيُّهَا الْمُعَلِّمُ الصَّالِحُ، مَاذَا أَعْمَلُ لأَرِثَ الْحَيَاةَ الأَبَدِيَّةَ؟» </span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;">18 فَقَالَ لَهُ يَسُوعُ:«لِمَاذَا تَدْعُونِي صَالِحًا؟ لَيْسَ أَحَدٌ صَالِحًا إِلاَّ وَاحِدٌ وَهُوَ اللهُ. </span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;">19 أَنْتَ تَعْرِفُ الْوَصَايَا: لاَ تَزْنِ. لاَ تَقْتُلْ. لاَ تَسْرِقْ. لاَ تَشْهَدْ بِالزُّورِ. لاَ تَسْلُبْ. أَكْرِمْ أَبَاكَ وَأُمَّكَ». </span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;">20 فَأَجَابَ وَقَالَ لَهُ:«يَا مُعَلِّمُ، هذِهِ كُلُّهَا حَفِظْتُهَا مُنْذُ حَدَاثَتِي». </span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;">21 فَنَظَرَ إِلَيْهِ يَسُوعُ وَأَحَبَّهُ، وَقَالَ لَهُ:«يُعْوِزُكَ شَيْءٌ وَاحِدٌ: اِذْهَبْ بِعْ كُلَّ مَا لَكَ وَأَعْطِ الْفُقَرَاءَ، فَيَكُونَ لَكَ كَنْزٌ فِي السَّمَاءِ، وَتَعَالَ اتْبَعْنِي حَامِلاً الصَّلِيبَ». </span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;">22 فَاغْتَمَّ عَلَى الْقَوْلِ وَمَضَى حَزِينًا، لأَنَّهُ كَانَ ذَا أَمْوَال كَثِيرَةٍ. "</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;">انجيل مرقس 10</span></strong></div><span style="color:#000000;"><p align="right"><br /><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></span><span style="color:#000000;"><br /></p></span><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">اولا السيد المسيح لم يقل له "لا تدعونى صالحا" بل قال "لماذا تدعونى صالحا. هناك فرق يا اخى الفاضل.</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">ثانيا السيد المسيح يقول عن نفسه "<span style="color:#000066;">انا هو الراعي الصالح</span>"</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;">11 انا هو الراعي الصالح . والراعي الصالح يبذل نفسه عن الخراف .(يوحنا 10)</span></strong></div><strong><span style="color:#000099;"></span></strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"><div align="right"><br /></div></span><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">فأن كان يقول "ليس احد صالح الا واحد و هو الله" و ايضا يقول "انا هو الراعي الصالح"... فكيف نقول انه ينكر عن نفسه الطبيعه الألهيه؟؟</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">ايضا لكي تفهم اى نص مقدس يجب ان تطلع على تفسيره. و لكي لا اطيل عليك هنا سأضع لك بعض الروابط و يمكنك ان تقرأها بنفسك لو كنت مهتم بالموضوع و بنعمة ربنا انا تحت امرك في اى تساؤل جديد</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#330033;">+ </span><a href="http://newman-in-christ.blogspot.com/2007/05/blog-post_10.html"><span style="font-size:130%;color:#330033;">موقع الأخ نيو مان: لماذا تدعونى صالحا</span></a></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#330033;">+ </span><a href="http://www.arabchurch.com/newtestament_tafser/mark10.htm"><span style="font-size:130%;color:#330033;">تفسير العهد الجديد للقمص تادرس يعقوب</span></a><span style="font-size:130%;color:#330033;"> انظر جزء رقم 3 بعنوان الغنى و التبعيه للمسيح</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#330033;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#330033;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><a href="http://st-takla.org/FAQ-Questions-VS-Answers/03-Questions-Related-to-Theology-and-Dogma__Al-Lahoot-Wal-3akeeda/009-Why-do-you-call-me-good.html"><span style="font-size:130%;color:#330033;">+ موقع القديس تكلا: لماذا تدعونى صالحا؟</span></a></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#330033;">+ </span><a href="http://hope4egypt.com/hope4me4u/forum2/showthread.php?p=112797"><span style="font-size:130%;color:#330033;">كيف يقول المسيح لا تدعونى صالحا؟</span></a></strong></div><span style="color:#000000;"><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"><br /></span></div></span><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">ثالثا انت تقول: ولا جواه اله يخليه صالح ولا هو جوه الاله </span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">و هذا خطأ لأننا لا نؤمن ان السيد المسيح "جواه اله" ولا انه "جوة الأله". بل نؤمن بالفعل ان هناك اله واحد هو الرب الخالق العظيم القدير.</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">السيد المسيح هو كلمة الله الظاهر في الجسد. السيد المسيح انسان كامل ناسوته متحد بلاهوته لكن بلا اختلاط ولا تغيير. اى ان الناسوت لم يضفي طبيعه انسانيه على اللاهوت و اللاهوت لم يعطي الناسوت صفات الهيه.</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">بمعنى انه السيد المسيح لما كان بيجوع و يعطش و يتألم بالجسد....هذا لا يعنى ان اللاهوت يعطش و يجوع و يتألم.</span></strong></div><strong></strong><span style="color:#000000;"><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"><br /></span></div></span><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">الله لا يتجزأ و بالتالي جملة "اله جواه" ليس لها معنى.</span></strong></div><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"><p align="right"><br /></p></span><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">****</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><em><span style="font-size:130%;color:#003300;"><strong>واكرر كلامى انى بس عاوز اوضح على مطاطيه الدين فى المسيحيه ان اللى يرفضه البابا زمان ممكن يقبله دلوقتى ومش يقبله بس ده يرضى عنه</strong></span></em></div><strong><em><span style="color:#003300;"></span></em></strong><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"><br /></span></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">سيدي الفاضل هذه المطاطيه لا توجد الا في مخيلتك!! فلم نري ان البابوات اختلفوا في اسس العقيده المسيحيه.</span></strong></div><strong></strong><span style="color:#000000;"><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"><br /></span></div></span><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">انت بتسأل عن زى المرأه و ملابسها و لا اعتقد ان ده من اسس العقيده. الناس بشكل عام مش المرأه بس لبسها بيتغير بتغير الزمان و المكان. المبدأ الثابت هو الأحتشام في المظهر و هذا لم و لن يختلف عليه احد.</span></strong></div><strong></strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"><div align="right"><br /></div></span><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">*****</span></strong></div><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></p><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></p><div align="right"><em><span style="font-size:130%;color:#333300;"><strong>اما عن النصيحه للبس الغير لائق مبقاش موجود ولا انتى مش بتروحى الكنيسةولا فيه نصح ولا اعتراض</strong></span></em></div><strong><em><span style="color:#333300;"></span></em></strong><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"><br /></span></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">يعنى هو حضرتك اللي نايم قايم في الكنيسه مثلا؟؟؟ :)</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">طبعا باروح الكنيسه و باشوف سيدات و فتيات في منتهي الحشمه .... مع انى عايشه في مجتمع غربي :)</span></strong></div><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></p><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></p><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">هناك النماذج السيئه و الجيده في كل مجتمع يا سيد احساس. كونك تركز فقط على النماذج السيئه فهذه نظره سلبيه للغايه و قد تعطي انطباع سئ عن شخصيتك و تفكيرك</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">اما عن النصح و الأرشاد فلا اعتقد انك تستطيع الجزم بوجوده من عدمه. فمع احترامي انت ما دخلتش كل كنيسه و سألت كل اب كاهن بيقول ايه للناس!!!</span></strong></div><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></p><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></p><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></p><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">****</span></strong></div><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></p><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"><em><span style="color:#003300;">ودلوقتى فى الغرب بيروحوا يتزوجوا وعليهم فى ايدهم والقسيس بقه بالنسباله ده شئ عادى وطبيعى</span></em> </span></strong></div><strong></strong><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"><br /></span></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">طرحت هذه النقطه في تعليق لك على مدونه الأخ خادم المسيح و كا ن ردي عليك وقتها انك لا تعرف ما دار من حوار بين هؤلاء و بين الكاهن اللي اجري اجراءات الزواج....</span></strong></div><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"><p align="right"><br /></p></span><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">ولا تستطيع ان تجزم انهما لم يتوبا عن الخطيئه ولا ان الكاهن لم يرشدهما للتوبه.</span></strong></div><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></p><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></p><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">****</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"><em><span style="color:#003300;">اما عن ردود فعل العلماء المسلمين فلن تختلف فى الثوابت وللمسلمين ائمة ومذاهب بياخد بيها المسلم وجبيلى اختلاف فى حلال او</span></em> </span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">و هل زى المرأه من ثوابت العقيده يا اخ احساس؟؟ :)</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">عموما هناك اختلافات بالفعل حول وجوب النقاب مثلا. و اختلافات في مواضيع اخري مثل حد الرده.</span></strong></div><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></p><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></p><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">****</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"><em><span style="color:#003300;">متعمليش زى خادم المسيح اللى سايب اكبر ائمة التفسير زى ابن كثير والقرطبى والجلالين ورايح يجبلى تفسير لشيخ من مئات التفاسير اللى عندنامش معنا ساب الائمة الكبار واختار التفسير ده</span></em> </span></strong></div><strong></strong><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"><br /></span></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">و لو انى لم اكن احب التطرق للأسلاميات في ردي الا انك اثرت هذه النقطه و احب اعلق عليها بايجاز...</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">المشكله يا اخى الفاضل ان التفاسير كتيره موجوده.... و معنى اعتراضك على ما اختاره الأخ خادم المسيح انك شايف فيه اختلاف بين تفاسير الأئمه الكبار و بين التفسير اللي اختاره الأخ خادم المسيح....(يعنى فيه اختلافات اهو)... </span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">مين يقول ان مفيش مسلم او جماعه مسلمين ياخدوا بتفسير غير اللي انت تاخد بيه و غير اللي محمد في ايران ياخد بيه و مصطفي في تركيا ياخد بيه؟!</span></strong></div><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong><span style="color:#000000;"></p><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"><br /></span></div></span><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">****</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></p><div align="right"><em><span style="font-size:130%;color:#003300;"><strong>ولما قوتله انجيل برنابا اعترض وسخن وقال غير معترف بيه</strong></span></em></div><div align="right"><em><span style="font-size:130%;color:#003300;"><strong>ما علينا</strong></span></em></div><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"><img class="gl_bold" border="0" alt="Bold" src="http://www.blogger.com/img/blank.gif" /><br /></span></p><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">لأ ما علينا ايه بقي!!! طالما حضرتك اثرت نقطه يبقي تحت امرك نناقشها بنعمة ربنا :)</span></strong></div><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"><div align="right"><br /></div></span></strong><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">انجيل برنابا ... او هاسميه "كتاب برنابا" لأن كلمة انجيل لا تنطبق عليه....</span></strong></div><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"><div align="right"><br /></div></span></strong><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">كتاب برنابا ده يا سيدي الفاضل و بأعتراف كتاب مسلمين و مسيحيين و ملحدين كمان تمت كتابته في القرن ال15 تقريبا...</span></strong></div><strong></strong><span style="color:#000000;"><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"><br /></span></div></span><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">و اليك بعض الأمثله على ذلك</span></strong></div><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></p><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color:#330099;">د. محمد شفيق غربال</span>: "هو إنجيل مزيف وضعه أوربي من القرن الخامس عشر <span style="color:#cc0000;">وفي وصفه للوسط السياسي والديني في القدس أيام المسيح أخطاء جسيمة.</span> كما يصرح على لسان عيسي أنه ليس المسيح إنما جاء مبشراً بمحمد الذي سيكون </span></strong><a href="http://st-takla.org/Gallery/Gallery-Jesus-01.html"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">المسيح</span></strong></a><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">". </span></strong></div><p align="right"><br /><br /><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color:#330099;">عباس محمود العقاد</span>: بعد أن فند هذا الآنجيل إنتهى إلى أنه آنجيل مزيف: "فيه أخطاء لا يجهلها اليهودي المطلع على كتب قومه، ولا يرددها المسيحي المؤمن بالأناجيل، ولا يتورط فيها المسلم الذي يفهم ما في إنجيل برنابا من التناقض بينه وبين القرآن". (جريدة الأخبار 26/10/1959). </span></strong></p><p align="right"><br /><br /><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color:#330099;">علي عبد الواحد وافي</span> (رئيس قسم الفلسفة بجامعة القاهرة في كتابه الأسفار الثلاثية في الأديان السابقة للإسلام، يقول عن أنجيل برنابا: "بعض ما يشمل عليه هذا الكتاب نفسه يحمل على الظن بأنه موضوع (أي من وضع إنسان وليس موحى به)، فالإسلام ليس في حاجة إلى كتاب كهذا تحوم حوله شكوك كثيرة". </span></strong></p><div align="right"><br /><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color:#330099;">أ. د. محمود بن الشريف:</span> يتحدث عن عدم وجود الأصل العبري للإنجيل، ووجود فقط نسخة إيطالية دليل على أنه لمفكر إيطالي إعترف بمحمد وبرسالته وبعيسى ورسالته فأخرج هذا الإنجيل ونسبه إلى برنابا.</span></strong></div><p align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></p><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">و اليك بعض الروابط التى قد تفيدك في هذا الموضوع:</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">+ </span></strong><a href="http://st-takla.org/FAQ-Questions-VS-Answers/01-Questions-Related-to-The-Holy-Bible__Al-Ketab-Al-Mokaddas/005-Barnabas-fake-bible.html"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">انجيل برنابا: خرافه غير متقنه</span></strong></a></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">+ </span></strong><a href="http://www.freecopts.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20207"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">انجيل برنابا في ضوء التاريخ</span></strong></a></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"><br /></span></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">+ </span></strong><a href="http://www.freecopts.net/forum/showthread.php?t=25865&highlight=%C8%D1%E4%C7%C8%C7"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">إنجيل برنابا - شهادة زور بالقرآن و الإنجيل </span></strong></a></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">+ </span></strong><a href="http://www.freecopts.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16688&highlight=%C8%D1%E4%C7%C8%C7"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">انجيل برنابا</span></strong></a><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"> </span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"><strong></div></strong></span><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">****</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;color:#003300;"><em><strong>معرفش بصراحه الكتاب المقدس بنسخته الحاليه امتى ومين اللى حدد الاناجيل الصح وحرق ومنع اناجيل تانى</strong></em></span></div><div align="right"><em><span style="font-size:130%;color:#003300;"><strong></strong></span></em></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">:)</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">مفيش اناجيل اتحرقت يا اخى الفاضل. يمكن حضرتك خلطت ما بين الأناجيل و بين حرق المصاحف على يد عثمان </span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">عموما ليس من العيب ان لا تعلم لكن العيب انك ما تحاولش تعرف. و انا احييك على سؤالك مع انك لو كنت بحثت بنفسك كنت بكل سهوله هتوصل للي عايز تعرفه.</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">****</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"><em><span style="color:#003300;">يا ريت احسن كل مصدرى عن الموضوع ده اسلاميه</span></em> </span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">عظيم جدا قولك ده لأنه فعلا علشان تتعرف على عقيده معينه اى كانت هذه العقيده...لازم ترجع لمصادر هذه العقيده و تعرفها من منبعها.</span></strong></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">****</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">قبل ما نتكلم عن كيفية جمع اسفار الكتاب المقدس عايزة بس اعلق على نقطه اخري اثرتها:</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color:#003300;"><em>بس فى ردك افتكرى النسخ الى بتظهر كل شويه من الاناجيل وليه حضرتك لما تكتشف نسخه جديده ترفضيها</em></span> </span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">عن اى نسخ تتحدث؟؟؟ هل تقصد "ترجمات"؟؟؟ ام تقصد نصوص غنوسيه مثل كتاب يهوذا مثلا او برنابا؟؟؟</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">*****</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">التدوينه كده طولت اوى :)</span></strong></div><div align="right"><span style="font-size:130%;"></span></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">خلى موضوع الكتاب المقدس في تدوينه لوحده علشان ما يتشتتش.</span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000000;">موعدنا بعد الفاصل :)</span></strong></div>Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-20244702755837789992009-09-07T13:15:00.003+10:002009-09-07T13:21:04.736+10:00ردا على سؤال "احساس لسه حي" بخصوص زى المرأه في المسيحيه<div align="center"><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;color:#000099;"><strong>قدسوا الرب الاله في قلوبكم مستعدين دائما لمجاوبة كل من<br />يسألكم عن سبب الرجاء الذي فيكم</strong></span></div><div align="center"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color:#000099;">بطرس 3:15<br /><br /></span><br /></span></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"></span></strong></div><div align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;color:#000000;">سؤال الأخ "</span><a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/14471543278952094626"><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;color:#000000;">احساس لسه حي</span></a><span style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color:#000000;">" اللي طرحه في تعليق على تدوينه سابقه يقول</span>:<br /><br /></span></span></strong></div><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"></span></strong></p><p align="right"><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;color:#003300;"><strong>انا جيت اوضحلك<br />السؤال بتاع شنوده وبولس اللى سالته لخادم المسيح ميت مره ومردش<br /><br /><br />بس اشرحلك شئ قبل السؤال كان الكلام عن لبس النساء فى المسيحية<br />والااسلام<br /><br /><br />انتى عارفه ان الحجاب هو اللبس الاسلامى للمراه اللى مفهوش<br />اختلاف<br /><br />يعنى غيره سواء نقاب او مش حجاب اراء ممكن قليلين يؤمنوا بيها بس<br />عندنا الحجاب مفهوش خلاف تقريبا وعليه اجماع<br /><br /><br />وده من اول الاسلام لحد الف سنه قادمة<br /><br />لان عندنا اساسيات لا تتغير فى ديننا مهما<br />تغير الزمان لان<br />الدين واحد<br /><br /><br />كان سؤالى للاستاذ خادم الممسيح<br /><br />اللبس اللى بتلبسه المسيحيات دلوقتى امام القسيسين والبابوات لبس يقبله الدين المسيحى ولا يرفضه<br /><br />يعنى اللى بتخش على البابا شتوده بليس عارى نوعا ما وهو لا يعترض على هذا اللبس لانه مش مخالف للمسيحية<br /><br />لو دخلت على بولس بيه كان هيقول عليها ايه<br /><br />ينفع اللى بتخش على شنوده بلبس دلوقتى ان تخش على بولس بنفس اللبس<br /><br />اكيد لو دخلت على بولس كان هيقول حرام وغلط والله اعلم<br />كان الموضوع يوصل لايه<br /><br />اما ما تغير الزمان فما لا يقبله بولس يقبله شنوده<br /><br />ويمكن يتطور الزمان بدل الشئ ده غير محكوم بدين ومحكوم بتغير<br />الزمن ان يوم يخشوا على القسيس بالبكينى فى هاواى لان ده لبس هذا الزمن<br /><br />المهم علشان متهيش وتردى بكلام كتير وتنسى الاجابه على سؤالى<br /><br />هى ما يقبله شنوده من المسيحيات فى اللبس كان يقبله بولس الرسول ولا كان هيعترض عليه<br /><br />مستنى اجابه واحده يا كان<br />هيقبله او يرفضه وبعد كده استنى ردى ونتحاور لو حبيتى<br /><br />الاجابة اللى لم يرد عليها خادم المسيح رغم تكرارى للسؤال<br /></strong></span></p><p align="right"><strong><br /><br /><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"></span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;">الفاضل احساس لسه حى</span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;">سؤالك عزيزي و بالصيغه اللي تفضلت و طرحته بيها لا يمكننى ان ارد عليه بمجرد "نعم" او "لا". ليس لأنى اريد ان اتهرب من اجابه مباشره و لكن لأنك طرحت العديد من النقاط التى لا يمكن تجاهلها و بنيت سؤالك على افكار معينه يجب ان نناقشها لو اردت ان اكون امينه معك في الرد.</span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"></span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color:#990000;">اولا</span>: حضرتك تسألنى عن رد فعل البابا شنوده او بولس الرسول و كأنى اعلم الغيب او استطيع ان اتكلم بالنيابه عنهما!!! و ممكن ارد عليك اقول "مع احترامي...بتسألنى انا ليه ما تسألهم هم"!!!!!!!!:) .... لكن كل اللي اقدر اعمله انى استنتج او اخمن ردهم بناء على تعاليم السيد المسيح و الكتاب المقدس</span></span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"></span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;">طيب تعال نشوف الكتاب المقدس بيعلمنا ايه عن احتشام المرأه</span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"></span></strong></p><blockquote><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"></span></strong></blockquote><p align="right"><br /><br /><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;color:#000066;">سفر الأمثال 31 : 30</span></strong><strong><span style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color:#000066;"><br />30 الحسن غش والجمال باطل . اما المرأة المتقية الرب فهي تمدح . 31 اعطوها من ثمر يديها ولتمدحها اعمالها في الابواب<br /><br />رسالة بطرس الأولى 3 : 1<br /><br />3 ولا تكن زينتكنّ الزينة الخارجية من ضفر الشعر والتحلي بالذهب ولبس الثياب 4 بل انسان القلب الخفي في العديمة الفساد زينة الروح الوديع الهادئ الذي هو قدام الله كثير الثمن<br /><br /><br />الرسالة الأولى إلى تيموثاوس 2 : 9<br /><br />وكذلك ان النساء يزيّنّ ذواتهنّ بلباس الحشمة مع ورع وتعقل لا بضفائر او ذهب او لآلىء او ملابس كثيرة الثمن 10 بل كما يليق بنساء متعاهدات بتقوى الله باعمال صالحة</span> . </span></span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;">واضح من النصوص السابقه ان الكتاب المقدس يعلمنا الأحتشام و السلوك بنقاء و تقوي.... و ده كلام يصلح لكل مكان و زمان لأنه يتعلق بسلوك الأنسان نفسه و ليس بالظروف المحيطه به. </span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;">و بناء عليه فلو القديس بولس او البابا شنوده او اى ااب كاهن شاف سيده او بنت مسيحيه لابسه لبس غير لائق فأعتقد انه هينصحها و يعلمها الكتاب بيقول ايه عن سلوك الانسان المسيحي</span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color:#660000;">ثانيا</span> صيغة سؤالك نفسها فيها خطأ. انت تسأل عن ما يرضي به البابا شنوده او بولس الرسول او اى اب كاهن. و انا اقول لك يا سيدي ا لفاضل اننا كمسيحيين لا نسعى لفعل ما يرضي اى انسان مهما كانت محبتنا له و اعتزازنا بيه و مهما كانت مكانته في الكنيسه<br /><br />لأنه</span></span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;">(<span style="color:#000099;">ينبغي ان يطاع الله اكثر من الناس(اعمال 5:29</span><br /></span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;">و كما يقول القديس يوحنا ذهبي الفم<br /><br /><span style="color:#000099;">ليكن ضميرنا بعد الله قانوناً ورقيباً لنا في كافة الامور حتي اذا عرفنا مصدر هبوب الرياح وجهنا نحوها الاشرعة</span><br /></span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;">يعنى انا كمسيحيه عندي تعاليم الكتاب المقدس و وصايا ربي اليّ... و فيّ الروح القدس يرشدنى .... و لازم اكون انا اول رقيب على نفسي بدون الحاجه لأى فرض خارجي يملي علي ما افعل و ما لا افعل.<span style="color:#660000;"> </span><span style="color:#000000;">انا رقيب نفسي</span> <span style="color:#990000;">مسؤوله</span> عن تصرفاتى و مسؤله عن سلوكي و مظهرى</span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;">ايمانى علاقه بيني و بين الهي ....علاقه محبه اريد فيها ان افعل ما يفرح قلبه و يرضيه .... ليس ما يرضي القديسين و الآباء الكهنه!!</span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"></span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="color:#660000;">ثالثا</span>: انت تقول: <span style="color:#003300;">اللبس اللي بتلبسه المسيحيات امام القسيسين</span></span></span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;color:#000000;">و اتساءل انا بدوري.... ما هو هذا اللبس الذي تقصده و هل حضرتك شفت كل بنت مسيحيه في العالم بتلبس ايه علشان تعمم قولك؟؟؟</span></strong></p><p align="right"><br /><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;">اتمنى انى اكون وفقت في الرد على سؤالك و مرحبا بك و بأسئلتك و نقاشك</span></strong></p><p align="right"><strong><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;">ربنا معاك<br /></span></p></strong><p align="right"><strong><br /><br /><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"></span></strong></p>Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com15tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-48776229388134540392008-09-21T11:28:00.009+10:002008-09-21T11:43:16.816+10:00An Attorney and his Sons Hire a Mob of Thugs to Destroy an Historical Church in Rasheed, Egypt<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Phv8V6jZJRM/SNWj7IZg77I/AAAAAAAAAAM/Pksn1zMzq6A/s1600-h/rasheed_attack1.jpg"><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5248281177032290226" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 454px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 267px" height="221" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Phv8V6jZJRM/SNWj7IZg77I/AAAAAAAAAAM/Pksn1zMzq6A/s320/rasheed_attack1.jpg" width="355" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><br />An attorney of law and his two sons who are public prosecutors, accompanied by a mob of about 50 thugs attacked an historical Roman Orthodox church in Rasheed, Egypt. The attack took place on the 19th September 2008 directly after the early morning Muslim prayers.<br /><br />The attorney, Mohammed Moustafa Kamel and his sons Mohammed and Mahmoud and their mob destroyed the fences around the church and ransacked the church itself destroying invaluable icons and the remains of saints that were kept in the historic building. The church gatekeeper, Ashraf Fahmy Abdalla was injured in the attack, and many shops owned by Christians next to the church were broken into and looted<br />In spite of the church being in close proximity to the local police station, there was no attempt made by the police to stop the attacks.<br /><br /><br />Father Luca Assaad Awad from St Mark’s church in Rasheed, and who leads prayers in the attacked Roman Orthodox church also, says he doesn’t understand the reason for the barbaric actions taken by the attackers. Mr. Mohammed Moustafa Kamel claims that he bought the almost 1300 year old church and the shops next to it from the previous Roman Orthodox bishop. The current Patriarch denies any knowledge of this sale.<br /><br /><br /><br /><p><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5248282157703156674" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Phv8V6jZJRM/SNWk0Nrq08I/AAAAAAAAAAs/GP2ld-aXpzk/s320/rasheed_attack5.jpg" border="0" /><br /><br />It is worth noting that there has been an agreement between the Coptic Orthodox church and the Roman Orthodox church that the Copts may use the Roman Orthodox churches for prayers. Hence Father Luca has been holding mass celebrations in the historic church.<br /><br /><br />Dr. Naguib Gobrail, president of the Egyptian Association for Human Rights condemned the attacks especially that the perpetrators are law professionals whose responsibility is to uphold the law and ensure justice for all citizens. He also condemned the lack of action on the part of the police who failed to prevent this barbaric attack on a place of worship. Dr. Gobrail wonders if the attack was on a Muslim place of worship, that we would have seen such inaction. </p><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5248281375491825266" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Phv8V6jZJRM/SNWkGrt9HnI/AAAAAAAAAAU/qscoWuaZcY4/s320/rasheed_attack2.jpg" border="0" /><br /><br /><p><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5248281771088322786" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Phv8V6jZJRM/SNWkdtbgoOI/AAAAAAAAAAc/JpM0mSxKeIs/s320/rasheed_attack3.jpg" border="0" /></p><br /><br /><p><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5248281967159112482" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Phv8V6jZJRM/SNWkpH2bcyI/AAAAAAAAAAk/9yXEZHSk-wo/s320/rasheed_attack4.jpg" border="0" /><br /></p><br /><br /><p>Sources:</p><p><a href="http://www.copts-united.com/08_copts-united_08/nrep.php/2008/09/19/11056.html">Copts-United</a></p><p><a href="http://freecopts.net/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=962&Itemid=1">Free Copts<br /></a></p>Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com9tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-64850606966220757562008-09-15T10:39:00.002+10:002008-09-15T10:43:37.588+10:00Muslim Extremists Call for Violence against Christian Monasteries in Egypt <div align="center"><span style="color:#000099;">O people of Islam come to martyrdom in Ramadan…the month of repentance and forgiveness</span> </div>
<br />Groups of Islamic extremists have published a call for jihad against the <a href="http://interoz.com/egypt/alwadi.htm" target="_blank">monasteries of Wadi-El-Natrun </a>on their websites.Their call comes soon after the rumor spread by the prominent Islamic figure Dr. Zaghloul El Naggar claiming that a Christian convert to Islam has been detained in a Wadi-El-Natrun monastery and subsequently murdered by the Coptic church after refusing to denounce Islam. It is worth noting that the woman in question had declared four years ago that she never converted to Islam and that she was “born a Christian and will die a Christian”
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<br />El Naggar made his accusation in an interview with Egyptian newspaper “Al-Khamis” and failed to provide any evidence to support his claims. Unfortunately this isn’t the first instance where Dr. El Naggar makes unsubstantiated accusations against the church and Christian community of Egypt. Last year he claimed that the church is secretly proselytizing to Muslims and converting them to Christianity in large numbers. He also claimed that he knows of the hideouts where these christenings take place and that he has documentations to support his claims.
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<br />To this date he has not provided any evidence to support either claim. It seems that there is no need for providing evidence to incite extremists to demand revenge especially during the month of Ramadan “the month of repentance and forgiveness” according to the extremist website. The emotive call to jihad is demanding of Muslims to wake up and strike the infidel Jews and Christians with a fist of iron. As well as blowing up the monasteries of the “murderous Christians” and reducing them to ashes, they are demanding Egyptian Muslims rise up and attack the Israeli embassy and also the building that houses the office of State Security.An
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<br /><strong>excerpt of the text published on the website:</strong>
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<br /><span style="color:#990000;"><strong>“Blow up the monasteries with the worshippers of the crucifix inside them</strong></span>
<br /><span style="color:#990000;"><strong>Do not leave them a safe means of escape </strong></span>
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<br />O people of Islam come to martyrdom in Ramadan…the month of repentance and forgiveness
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<br />Tear up Egyptian Christians and shed their blood
<br />Burn the ground under their feet and let bombs rain on them from the sky
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<br />Let the volcano of anger explode in the face of the office of Infidel Security”</strong></span>
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<br />Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-64861732524050175152007-06-25T13:56:00.000+10:002007-06-25T13:58:57.295+10:00AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL NEWS MEDIAThe American Coptic Association, the International Christian Union, and other National and International Human Rights Organizations in and outside of the United States will hold Solidarity Rally on <span style="color:#3333ff;"><strong>Wednesday, June 27, 2007</strong></span> in front of the United Nation building <span style="color:#3333ff;"><strong>between 44th and 45th street in New York City between 12: 00 Noon until 2:00 PM.</strong></span><br /> <br />The purpose of the rally is to protest the bloodshed, murder and destruction of the property,<br />recently incurred by the Christian Community in Egypt. Although this has been happening for<br />many years, these attacks have been intensifying and more frequent. The criminal perpetrators<br />are using swords to kill, and the government of Egypt looks the other way. This appears to be<br />a deliberate campaign of ethnic cleansing against the Copts (Christians of Egypt) carried out<br />by fanatical Muslims and blessed by Mubarak's government!! <br /><br />Copts are the largest minority in the world without rights! A stable Egypt is very important in<br />that part of the world. The atrocities facing the Copts exemplify the intolerance by the Mubarak<br />regime towards non-Muslim minorities. It is therefore the duty of every freedom loving person<br />to speak out in defense of the persecuted Coptic community, particularly since the Copts in<br />Egypt are unable to defend themselves or speak out. <br /><br />Your coverage of this rally is crucial in order to shed a light on the persecution of non-Muslim<br />minorities in the Middle East. Your participation and subsequent coverage of the rally would<br />serve as a reminder to those in the Middle East who spread intolerance, hate, persecution and<br />oppression, that their actions are noticed and condemned. It would support the basic Human<br />Rights of Middle East minorities such as the Copts and others. We believe that a free media is<br />the voice of the weak, voiceless, and the oppressed. <br /><br />Thank you for your anticipated support. For further information please contact: <br /><br />Monir A. Dawoud, MD.<br />President of I.C.U. (International Christian Union)<br />President of A.C.A. (American Coptic Association)<br />E-mail:<br /><a href="mailto:mdmd1239@aol.com">mdmd1239@aol.com</a><br />Fax: (201) 863 6600<br />Phone: (201) 863 6600 Office<br />(201) 424 1001 CellularBent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com11tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-14250414718781937862007-06-14T16:19:00.000+10:002007-06-14T16:21:13.255+10:00Attack on St Mary’s Church, Dakhlia<span style="color:#660000;">Tuesday 12/06/2007</span><br /><span style="color:#660000;">Attack on St Mary’s Church, Dakhlia</span><br /><br /><span style="color:#660000;">Two children entered St Mary’s church in Dakhlia during a church meeting and started to throw rocks at the congregation. Shortly after, there were calls from the surrounding mosques urging Muslims to act. A number of Muslims armed with rocks, knives and small weapons as well as bottles filled with acid, congregated around the church and threw the rocks and bottles at the church building.</span><br /><span style="color:#660000;"></span><br /><span style="color:#660000;">Security forces have intervened and have cordoned off the area around El Geish street, Dakhlia. The clashes continue with some Muslims threatening police with the acid filled bottles from the balconies of some buildings in the area. </span><br /><span style="color:#660000;"></span><br /><span style="color:#660000;">Reports from some residents of the area in question confirm there have been injuries resulting from the attack. Furthermore, it is reported that some Muslims are roaming the surrounding streets armed with acid filled bottles, calling out to Coptic residents to come down to the street!</span><br /><span style="color:#660000;"></span><br /><span style="color:#660000;">Translated from:</span><a href="http://www.freecopts.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13384" target="_blank"><span style="color:#660000;">http://www.freecopts.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13384</span></a><a href="http://coptreal.com/forum/VBForum/forumdisplay.php?f=56" target="_blank"><span style="color:#660000;">http://coptreal.com/forum/VBForum/forumdisplay.php?f=56</span></a><br /><span style="color:#660000;">__________________</span>Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-21186214374100939552007-06-03T13:48:00.000+10:002007-06-03T13:59:35.506+10:00IGNORANCE; Thy Will be Done. In Malaysia as it is in Egypt<span style="color:#cc0000;"><a href="http://www.compassdirect.org/en/display.php?page=lead&lang=en&length=long&idelement=4887&backpage=">MALAYSIA: HIGH COURT HALTS WOMAN’S EFFORT TO LEGALLY CONVERT</a></span><br /><br /><em><span style="color:#003300;">Judges rule Lina Joy must seek Muslim tribunal’s approval to remove ‘Islam’ from ID.<br />KUALA LUMPUR, June 1 (Compass Direct News) – Malaysia’s highest court on Wednesday (May 30) handed down a decision that prevents Lina Joy, a Muslim convert to Christianity, from having her conversion legally recognized. </span></em><br /><em><span style="color:#003300;"><br />In a 2-1 majority decision, the Federal Court ruled that the National Registration Department (NRD) was right in requiring Joy to produce a declaration from the sharia (Islamic law) court stating that she is no longer a Muslim before it would remove the word “Islam” from her identity card. </span></em><br /><em><span style="color:#003300;"><br />The ruling comes after a seven-year legal battle to have Joy’s conversion officially recognized. </span></em><br /><em><span style="color:#003300;"><br />Her final legal option would be to ask for a review of the Federal Court decision. If she applies for review and it is accepted, then her case would be heard before an expanded panel of either five or seven judges. </span></em><br /><em><span style="color:#003300;"><br />Joy was quoted in the May 31 local daily The Star as saying through her lawyer, Benjamin Dawson, that she was disappointed with the court decision. </span></em><br /><em><span style="color:#003300;"><br />“The Federal Court has not only denied me that right but [denied it] to all Malaysians who value fundamental freedoms,” she said. </span></em><br /><em><span style="color:#003300;"></span></em><br /><em><span style="color:#003300;">read more </span></em><a href="http://www.compassdirect.org/en/display.php?page=lead&lang=en&length=long&idelement=4887&backpage="><em><span style="color:#003300;">here</span></em></a><br /><br />+++<br /><br /><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong>Horraayyy for the justice and tolerance of Islam and the rule of Islam!!!!</strong></span><br /><strong><span style="color:#ff0000;"></span></strong><br /><span style="color:#000000;"></span>Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-21230786721567382392007-05-16T23:44:00.000+10:002007-05-16T23:50:24.798+10:00Beware: This is a strictly ONE-WAY religionEver considered becoming a Muslim? Think carefully! Because it's a strictly one way road... moreover, if you live in Egypt, the blessed government and even the juidiciary system will enforce this rule<br /><br />?Freedom of worship, they told you<br />They lied<br /><br />well not entirely...you are after all free to "become a Muslim". But woe to you should you decide to turn back<br /><br />?A constitution and rule of the law they said<br />!My friend you have been fooled<br /><br />Read <a href="http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070511-121245-2864r">this</a><br /><br /><span style="color:#000099;">A decision by an Egyptian administrative court earlier last month has sent the Christian community into an uproar over what they have termed the continuation of religious intolerance by the government.<br /><br />The controversial new law states that Christians who convert to Islam for whatever reason and wish to revert to their Christian status on identification papers are forbidden from doing so. Muslims converts to Christianity wishing to go back to being listed as followers of Islam, on the other hand, are not barred from such an act.<br /><br />Christian clergy and intellectuals in the country have expressed resentment toward the ruling, calling it a "step backward" and contradictory to Egypt's citizenship laws. They argue that the court's decision undoubtedly moves Egypt nearer to being a theocratic state.<br /><br />In Egypt, Christians have been known to convert to Islam in order to marry Muslims - non-Muslim men must convert on paper to Islam before being allowed to marry Muslim women. The new law, the government argues, is an attempt to maintain religious integrity, but many Egyptians believe it is a move to ensure that Muslim numbers are maintained.<br /><br />"As a Muslim, I say that there is no limit to the freedom of religion and, without it, heaven and hell would be ... meaningless as the Koran assures the individual freedom of belief and disbelief [and] in return [people] are responsible for their choice," Mohammed Munir Mogahed, a founding member of Egyptians Against Religious Segregation, said recently in the Egyptian daily, Al Masry Al Youm.<br /><br />Mogahed added that the Muslim holy text did not give rules concerning apostasy, arguing that religious scholars' opinions on the matter had been controversial.<br /><br />"We can compare this issue to citizenship, as every Egyptian has the right to give up his or her citizenship and take on a different one, and there is nothing against him or her" for doing so, he pointed out.<br /><br />The case began in 2005 when 45 Christians wishing to convert back to Christianity from Islam asked Egypt's ministry of interior for new identification papers and birth certificates that stated they were Christians.<br /><br />The interior ministry refused to issue the papers saying it didn't see a legal reason for doing so, regarding the petitioners' request as playing with religion to suit their needs.<br /><br />The Egyptian constitution grants freedom of religion to all citizens.<br /><br />Meanwhile, Christian clergy have also voiced their concern over the new law, saying that Christians must take a serious stand against the law and object to the oppression of the government.<br /><br />Morqous Aziz, a Coptic priest, recently told reporters that there would be an appeal of the ruling.<br /><br />"This is ... oppression against all religions and the [Egyptian] Constitution. The Pope will do something about the matter," Aziz said.<br /><br />The decision comes as religious tensions in Egypt are mounting. Last year, the Supreme Authoritative Court of Egypt ruled that Bahais were not allowed to be identified by their religious beliefs on their personal documents.<br /><br />The court's decision upheld government policy to deny Bahais the right to receive identification cards, birth certificates, education, and even medical care, compelling many to declare themselves on official documents as followers of one of the three officially permitted religions (Islam, Christianity, and Judaism) - in effect, committing fraud - out of necessity.<br /><br />Meanwhile, Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights director Hossam Bahgat told the Middle East Times that the controversial law was a "manipulation of Islam," reflecting moral prejudice by the government.<br /><br />"The right to freedom of religion, including the right to change one's religion, is guaranteed under the Egyptian Constitution, the Civil Status Law, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and, notably, Islamic Sharia [Muslim law]."<br /><br />In December 2004, Egypt's Grand Mufti, Ali Gomaa, issued a fatwa (religious edict) on the matter, saying that those who return to Christianity after adopting Islam were "apostates."<br /><br />"The religion of Islam vis-à-vis the state and the social structure is a matter to be left to the administration, according to an assessment of benefits and harms, and of how this conduct is in accordance with the constitution and the applicable laws, and of its impact on social security and national peace," Gomaa said in 2004.<br /><br />The ruling has left many activists sour, especially those striving for a more open and tolerant society in the Arab world's largest nation.<br /><br />"Islam, in my opinion, is a religion of mercy and justice, and it cannot be treated as a trap [so that] once you are in it, there is no way out," Mogahed maintained.<br /></span><br /><br />and tell me, <span style="color:#cc0000;">why is Islam so scared to let people choose</span>? <span style="color:#cc0000;">Why is the governemnt so determined to keep religion in the forefront of the average Egyptian's life?<br /></span><br />Where is the freedom of worship we so often hear about, and which is supposedly guaranteed by Islam and protected by the law in our Egypt???????Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com31tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-78578120407464567772007-01-13T00:13:00.000+11:002007-01-13T00:37:46.171+11:00We're a Nation of Lying Convicts and Our Women are Just Exposed MeatYes ladies and gentlemen this what we are according to the person who is considered the spiritual leader of the Muslim community in Australia.<br /><br />I had just had the displeasure of watching an interview with Sheikh Hilali on the popular Egyptian show "Al Qahira Al Yawm" (Cairo Today). An interview that has been talked about in last night's news, an which my father watched when it aired and taped when he knew the infamous sheikh would be on.<br /><br />I was watching it and thinking...man I wish i could translate this so I could laugh at him later when they try to weasle him outa this one too. But fortunately <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21048248-601,00.html">The Australian</a> has done my homework for me<br /><br /><br />Interviewer1: Man was born a man. What differentiates him from the animal is that he can control his behaviour and feelings.<br /><br />Interviewer2: Controlling one’s behaviour and feelings is proportional, and it cannot be measured. There is a difference between what ‘should be’ and what is ‘reality’. Reality is not having a woman dancing in the street and then we are surprised with cases of harassment. One plus one equals two. Put a flame near petrol and you get a fire.<br /><br />Interviewer1: <span style="color:#cc0000;">So you are saying that the man raped the woman, and the woman is responsible because she was uncovered.<br /></span><br />Interviewer2: <span style="color:#ff0000;">One, two and three are the woman. The man is number four.</span><br /><br />Interviewer1: We go to a commercial break and when we come back we’ll talk about this fatwa and what it caused, and about what the sheikh said about a case where a man had raped a woman, and about the sentencing… we would like to know your opinion.<br /><br />(commercial break)<br /><br />Interviewer1: Back to our topic, and proportionality. Say a man entered a bank and saw that a man had left some money in it…<br /><br />Interviewer2: Left it where?<br /><br />Interviewer1: At the bank, on a table. He forgot it and left.<br /><br />Interviewer2: He left it there and went away? If the money is not kept safe, wouldn’t it be subject to getting lost or not?<br /><br />Interviewer1: As a human being, would I take it?<br /><br />Interviewer2: A decent human being wouldn’t, but are all humans decent? And, secondly, if the money was safe, then his hand should be cut off. If a man put money on the footpath, we shouldn’t steal. We shouldn’t touch money that is not ours.<br /><br />Interviewer1: <span style="color:#ff0000;">Why do you want to blame the woman? You want to blame the woman more than the man.<br /></span><br />Interviewer2: <span style="color:#ff0000;">He left his money on the footpath. If a man let his daughter be uncovered and go wearing stretch or a swimsuit infront of men…<br /></span><br />Interviewer1: So you are now finding a reason or an excuse for every man that harasses a woman in the street?<br /><br />Interviewer2: <span style="color:#ff0000;">If the woman is not adhering to dress code, then she is giving him an excuse</span>. 15:20<br /><br />……..<br /><br /><br />15:58 Interviewer2: I am saying that we do not justify the sin. But we are prioritising the responsibilities, for the viewers to understand. We are not justifying the mistake, but prioritising the responsibilities. What do you think, sheikh?<br /><br />Hilali: Had I argued this religious point using this logic, Australia would have been devastated, by how they would have understood it.<br /><br />Interviewer2: How do you evaluate the situation?<br /><br />Hilali: I have lived in Australia for more than a quarter of a century, and I know the basics of the work of the calling to Islam, and I understand the Western mentality, particularly the Australian one. <span style="font-size:130%;color:#ff0000;">And I know that the Australian law guarantees freedoms to the point of insanity</span>. We have a third sex, in between. Neither male nor female. It does not belong to masculinity or femininity. And there are churches that conduct marriages between same sex people. At the same time, <span style="color:#cc0000;">an Australian Christian sect has evolved that forbids television, radio, mobile phones, university studies</span>… You see to what extent?<br /><br />Interviewer2: They’re not a Muslim group?<br /><br />Hilali: No. A Christian group.<br /><br />Interviewer1: Each religion has its extremists.<br /><br />Hilali: Still, the reversed standard, is that Mr Howard says, “That’s up to you.” That’s their right of expression, and moreover, they will give them assistance and entitlements of social services…<br /><br />Interviewer2: I support them in their point of view. The Western society has its own law that it is governed by, and they accepted to host us in it. So we should either coexist with their laws or don’t go there to start with.<br /><br />Hilali: I was giving advice to my daughters. It is my religious duty to…<br /><br />Interviewer1: For the Muslim woman inside his mosque, he wasn’t overstepping that.<br /><br />Interviewer2: Exactly. They are free to live their lives as they want. That’s the right thing to say. We are not assaulting anyone, criminalising anyone or…<br /><br />Interviewer1: What happened is an overstepping with the fatwa. What you said was that someone was sentenced to jail for rape, and you said that it was no one’s right to…<br /><br />Hilali: No, I will show you the wrong standards, and the reversed values. <span style="font-size:130%;color:#ff0000;">They have no democracy and no freedom.</span> <span style="color:#ff0000;">They are the biggest liars and the most unjust, the Western peoples, especially the English people</span>. The Anglo-Saxons arrived in Australia in shackles, while we paid for our tickets. We paid for our tickets from our own pockets, and we went there free. <span style="font-size:130%;color:#990000;"><strong>So we are more entitled to Australia than them</strong></span>. Australia is not Anglo-Saxon, <span style="color:#990000;">Islam is deep rooted in Australian soil and it preceded the English arrival there.</span><br /><br />Interviewer2: But generalisation is rejected. Generalisation is rejected, you are learned and should know. The West has cultural values and it has advantages…<br /><br />20:40 Hilali: No doubt. I am talking about… about… about… about their reversed values… I lost my train of thought. About controlling the issues… I was addressing my advice to the Muslim woman, the Australian woman was not meant by it. 19:45<br /><br />(Telephone caller)<br />………………..<br /><br />23:23 Interviewer1: Here is an example, a newspaper like The Australian, which seems to be wide circulating, it is honourable to see an Egyptian sheikh appearing in this size on the front page. It is something we are proud of indeed, he is the mufti of Australia…<br /><br />Interviewer2: This is an example of centrism, which you dream of yourself. The sheikh said that he is an example of centrism… 23:50<br /><br />…………..<br /><br />26:10 Interviewer1: How’s the situation in Australia as far as you are concerned?<br /><br />Hilali:<span style="color:#990000;"> Without any exaggeration, I can confirm that this crisis has given the Islamic calling in Australia the greatest push.<br /></span><br /><div align="center"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;">-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-</span></span></div><div align="center"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;"></span></span> </div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;">Between outrage and indignation...and laughing my little heart out...I was lost to see why the Muslim community of Australia insists on keeping this man as a sort of spiritual leader...or whatever it is that he does!</span></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;"></span></span> </div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;">I am at loss at why he wants to stay here...amongst decendants of convicts and loose women?</span></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;"></span></span> </div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;">Forgot to say...a part that wasn't traslated by the Australian had him talking about the incident where a group of Muslim Lebanese boys raped a young Australian girl...the respectable sheikh said that it no rape! it was in fact a rendezvous and the sex was consentual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</span></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;"></span></span> </div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;">I am flabbergasted as to how he arrived at the conclusion that Islam is deep rooted in Aussie soil?!?!?!</span></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;"></span></span> </div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;">How is it that the Australian law guarantees freedoms to the point of insanity</span></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;">YET</span></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;">They have no democracy and no freedom</span></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;">??????????????????????????????????????????????</span></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;"></span></span> </div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;">Sheikh Hilali: You shame both your countries...Egypt and Australia.</span></span></div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;"></span></span> </div><div align="left"><span style="color:#990000;"><span style="color:#000000;">If this country is so unjust and terrible...you have the freedom to leave it to those who appreciate what it offers. </span></div></span>Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-77227417470688911102006-12-25T23:11:00.000+11:002006-12-25T23:18:31.279+11:00Merry Christmas! (and a white one at that!!!)Merry Christmas to all the brothers and sisters in Christ celebrating today.<br /><br />It seems someone prayed and wished very hard for a white Aussie Christmas...and what d'ya know...they got their wish!<br /><br />In Victoria today temperatures plumetted to around 11 degrees, and it rained and even hailed at times. For brief minutes, the grass was covered with white making the picture look positively "Northern hemisphere" kind of Christmas......in the middle of summer!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Well, I hope you had a great Christmas, whatever the weather was for you :)Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com10tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-32095992599590971532006-12-22T18:22:00.000+11:002006-12-22T18:43:15.586+11:00Auguri Cannavaro!<a href="http://www.japantimes.co.jp/images/photos2006/sc20061220a1b.jpg"><img style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 236px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 242px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" height="306" alt="" src="http://www.japantimes.co.jp/images/photos2006/sc20061220a1b.jpg" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><div align="center"><br /><br /><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6189503.stm">Cannavaro wins Fifa player crown</a><br /></div><br /><br /><div align="center"></div><br /><br /><div align="left">Italy's World Cup-winning captain Fabio Cannavaro has been named Fifa World Player of the Year.<br />The award polls votes from national team coaches and captains and Cannavaro beat three-time winner Zinedine Zidane and reigning champion Ronaldinho.<br />Real Madrid central defender Cannavaro, 33, was crowned European Footballer of the Year in November.<br />"It's a great honour for me to be here because it has been an incredible season," said Cannavaro.<br />He added: "The competition is scary, so strong. It's not usual for a defender to sit between Ronaldinho and Zidane.<br />"Of course it must be a great compliment for the coaches I've had this year.<br />"It also underscores the way I am playing - and look at the matches we are playing in the teams I've had, and at Real.<br />"I can't ask for anything else, with the World Cup and Golden Ball award - you can't do any better than that."<br />Brazil's Marta won the women's award ahead of Germany's Renate Lingor and Kristine Lilly of the USA. </div><br /><br /><div align="left"></div><br /><div align="left">-*-*-*-*</div><br /><div align="left"></div><br /><div align="left">Me thinks this verrry good year for Italian football!!! Me happy!! Verryyy Happy :)</div><br /><br /><a href="http://www.soccer-desktop.com/store/p1-wp-pl-Cannavaro-v2.jpg"><img style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://www.soccer-desktop.com/store/p1-wp-pl-Cannavaro-v2.jpg" border="0" /></a>Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-21543556887778693812006-12-22T17:30:00.000+11:002006-12-22T17:38:27.897+11:00The Free Copts: Back and Stronger Than Ever<a href="http://www.freecopts.net/forum/showthread.php?p=38338#post38338">SOURCE</a><br /><br />The Free Copts is back online. Our resolve is even stronger to speak up against injustice and hatred.<br /><br />And a note of thanks goes out to thise who hacked the site:<br />You have proven that we are effective and strong...you have admitted that we are a force to be reckoned with. You have shown the world how incapable you are of defending your views rationally.<br /><br />Thank you whoever you are, you have done us a great service!<br />God Bless :)Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-54354852544392702082006-12-21T22:11:00.000+11:002006-12-21T22:26:57.377+11:00Frederik; There's a Quran Under the Xmas Tree!!!OK! I know it's absolutely ridiculous...but I've just spent the past two hours trying to verify <a href="http://www.alarabiya.net/Articles/2006/12/20/30076.htm">this report</a> by Alarabiya.net. They are claiming that "Danish Chrostians" are going absolutely bananas buying copies of teh Quran as Xmas gifts!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Yes I know, it's hillarious...it doesn't make sense! But I thought I'd Google it anyway...in Arabic and in English (damn it I wish I knew Danish)...and couldn't find anything.<br /><br />Of course, Danish people could very well be buying the Quran. But what made me laugh so hard that I almost fell off my chair, is teh way Alarabiya reported it. And of course the readers comments.<br /><br />It was reported and commented on as a victory of Islam over the infidel Danes who dessecrated the prophet of Islam by the infamous cartoons, and their steadfast defence of this...this...thing...they call "freedom of expression"?!!<br /><br />Many readers launched into Quranic verses and pleas to Allah to guide the infidels to the truth of Islam. A couple of readers who were "switched on" warned their bretheren not to fall for this obvious trick by the Danes to buy the affection of the Muslim world and put an end to the boycott (ooohhh you're a clever bunch! couldn't pull the wool over your eyes!)<br /><br />Whether this is true or not...and no matter what the reason Danes ar going crazy over the Quran...the main thing I came out with:<br />I really...really...pityy the naive ignorance of those who do not see outside the boundaries of their own world!Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com7tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-80751950753414946132006-12-20T21:38:00.000+11:002006-12-20T22:16:02.620+11:00Copts Need Not ApplyA couple of days ago I read something in an Egyptian newspaper that made me rub my eyes...look around in confusion...and ask my husband "what year is it??"<br /><br />The newspaper: Al Masry Alyoum (The Egyptian Today)<br />The news item: Islamic Fayssal Bank Refuses To Allow Copts To Buy Shares<br /><br />For some reason, I felt life go black and white around me, and I expected to see a band with a Coptic cross on my arm, and the word "Copts" garffitied on my house.<br /><br />Then I remembered it's 2006<br />and humanity has supposedly moved on from this kind of hatred and discrimination<br /><br /><br />Here's an <a href="http://www.almasry-alyoum.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=41251">article</a> written in the same newspaper about this very same subject..by Ahmed Al Sawy. In it he condemns the Egyptian government for allowing this absurdity to take place, at a time when sectarian tension is already at a boiling point.<br /><br />"<br /><span style="color:#000099;"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">لا أعتقد أن البنك السعودي يستطيع أن يفعل ذلك في أي بلد يحترم قانونه ودستوره، وربما لا تستطيع كل البنوك السعودية المتعاملة بنظام المعاملات الإسلامية داخل أراضي المملكة حرمان غير المسلم من التعامل معها، إلا أن بنك فيصل علي ما يبدو وجد في مصر نظاماً قانونياً رخواً،وحكومة لا تملك القدرة أو الرغبة، أو الإرادة لحماية مواطنيها ضد الانتهاك الصارخ لحقهم في المواطنة داخل الوطن الذي يحملون جنسيته.<br /></span></strong>"<br />I do not believe that the Saudi bank could do this in a country which respects the law and the constitution. I don't even believe that Saudi Islamic banks operating within the Kingdom (of Saudi Arabia) can prevent non Muslims from dealing with them. But it seems Fayssal Bank has found in Egypt a weak legislative system and a government lacking interest in protecting her citizens against such blatant violation of their rights, in their own country!<br /><br />"<br /><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">تأسس بنك فيصل الإسلامي في مصر عام ١٩٧٧، وتم تسجيله لدي البنك المركزي المصري كبنك تجاري يخضع لأحكام قانون البنك المركزي، ومع ذلك فرض المادة ١٢ من نظامه الأساسي علي قانون البنك المركزي المنظم لعمله، تلك المادة تنص علي عدم جواز قبول مساهمة غير المسلمين، وعدم جواز نقل ملكية أسهم البنك إلا للمسلمين</span></strong><br />"<br />Islamic Fayssal Bank was established in Egypt in 1977, and was registered as a commercial bank with Al Bank Al Markazy Al Massry (The Egyptian Central Bank), and it (Fayssal Bank) is supposed to be governed by the same regulations as the Central bank. However, Fayssal bank succeeded in enforcing a part of its own regulatons...the part which states refusal of non Muslim shareholders</span>.<br /><br /><strong><span style="color:#6600cc;">-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*</span></strong><br /><br />This was also reported by <a href="http://www.alarabiya.net/Articles/2006/12/18/30021.htm">alarabiya.net</a>...but nevermind the actual report, as always the readers comments are more shocking.<br /><br /><br /><span style="color:#006600;"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">2 - النصاري في مصر واخدين حقهم وكفايه اللي هم ما بيدفعوش الجزية<br />محمد بلال من مصر 18/12/2006 م، 08:20 مساء (السـعودية) 05:20 مساء (جرينيتش) النصاري في مصر واخدين حقهم وزيادة</span></strong> </span><br /><span style="color:#006600;"></span><br /><span style="color:#006600;">Mohammad Bilal-Egypt</span><br /><span style="color:#006600;">The Christians in Egypt have their rights. It's bad enough they aren't paying "jizya" (the Islamic tax forced on the non-Muslim inhabitants of the lands invaded by the Arabs)</span><br /><span style="color:#006600;"></span><br /><br /><span style="color:#006600;"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">5 - بنك فيصل الاسلامى<br />احمد على احمد 18/12/2006 م، 08:25 مساء (السـعودية) 05:25 مساء (جرينيتش) هذا اسمه والمسلمين يقوموا بلايداع فيه بعيد عن البنوك الاخرى حتى يبتعدوا عن شبهة الربا وهذا ما يجدونه فى هذا البنك وبالطبع اذا تم بيع اسهمه لغير مسلم سوف يقوم عدد كبير من المسلمين بانهاء تعاملاتهم مع البنك وهذا يكون خطرا عليه. وشكرأ والسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته</span></strong>. </span><br /><span style="color:#006600;"></span><br /><span style="color:#006600;">Ahmad Ali Ahmad</span><br /><span style="color:#006600;">This is an Islamic bank...Muslims deal with it to get away from other non Islamic banks. If the shareholders are not Muslim..Muslims won't put their money there and this will harm the bank's interests! Thank you and Assalam alaykom wa rahmatu Allah wa barakato (the Islamic greeting)</span><br /><span style="color:#006600;"></span><br />and many more that I honestly felt too sick with disgust from their mentality to have to force myself to translate...<br /><br />Although to be fair there were great comments also from Muslim readers who said this was attrocious and reaffirmed their belief in equal rights for all Egyptians and no discrimination based on faith.<br /><br />Yet, such fair and tolerant Muslim mentalities seem to be a minority in the midst of the raging hatred and ignorance.<br /><br /><br />This isn't my Egypt! This can't be my Egypt!Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com6tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-1166526791568074442006-12-19T21:57:00.000+11:002006-12-19T23:25:44.993+11:00If You Can't Beat'em, Hack'emIn a demonstration of just how morally and intellectually banckrupt they are...a group of Islamists who call themselves "The Islamic Warrior Crew" have hacked yet another website. This time it's personal...they hacked the Free Copts website!<br /><br />You see, they had previously hacked into some sites which contained a religious forum where Islam was discussed as a religion and ideology. In fine Islamic fashion, they were outraged by the fact their religion is being discussed and debated...so they did the only thing they know how: shut them up!<br /><br />Although the religious dialogue section of the Free Copts forum, and indeed the whole forum, was regulated by the admin group so that no insults to any faith, race or person were tolerated...it seems our juvenile group of warriors found something that lead to this dummy spit.<br /><br />So after I got over the initial surprise, then the fits of laughter at the public tantrum, then finally the pitty for those who possess no means of dealing with different opinions except to try to eliminate them...<br /><br />I got thinking....<br /><br />I thought about how in this day and age, we advocate tolerance and co existence. We talk about living harmoniously together in this ever shrinking world of ours. We put checks and balances to guarantee the rights that we enjoy are protected. We teach our children to be accepting of others and not to generalise...never to generalise.<br /><br />But I ask, and I especially ask those who say "The image of Islam on the world stage has been corrupted"....I ask you to take a moment to consider...<br /><br />Who exactly do you believe is harming the image of Islam?<br /><br />And how do you expect Islam to be accepted by the world, when Muslims do not accept the world....or I should say the do not accept anyone or anything that is different to them??Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-1164893504596701992006-12-01T00:20:00.000+11:002006-12-01T00:31:44.630+11:00Impending attack on Archangel Michael church, AlexandriaMy first post in a very long time...and unfortunately, bad news!<br />Please see below for the details of the planned attacks (<a href="http://freecopts.net/english/content/view/424/9/">The Free Copts</a>).<br />May the Lord protect His church and keep the peace in our Egypt.<br /><br /><div align="center"><span style="font-size:130%;color:#6600cc;"><strong>*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*</strong></span></div><br /><br />Written by Rasha Nour <br />Thursday, 30 November 2006<br /><br />What is happening to Alexandria? The city we call “Bride of the Mediterranean”…the melting pot of so many cultures. The city that so awed Alexander the Great, that he bestowed his name on her…her glory immortalizing his name.Today, this beautiful city is trampled with hatred and intolerance…even smeared with the hands of terrorism. After the distant years of glory where Christians, Muslims and Jews lived harmoniously…Italians, Greek and Egyptians co-existed peacefully.<br /><br />I’ll never forget the day my grandfather died in Upper Egypt, and my mother left us with our Greek neighbor. Auntie Nickilous treated us with love and kindness, until our parents returned…never complaining to them about our antics…how we mocked her children and made fun of her name.That was Alexandria! Where we sat at the beach…breathed in her glorious history and the spirit of love and strength of youth.<br /><br />But what do we see in Alexandria today?After the incident of Moharram Bek, where the church of St. George and St. Antonious was surrounded by mobs of angry Muslims, after a CD of a church play “I was blind and now I see” was leaked to them by the State Security…who are obviously colluding with the Islamic groups, and have obviously been successful in using the groups to fulfill their agenda and terrorizing the Coptic church.<br /><br />And after the events surrounding the murder of the elderly Coptic man, Sobhi while he was praying in church during Passion week 2006, and the setting of a church on fire…<br /><br />Last Friday 11/24/2006, another attack was planned, this time the target is the <span style="color:#3333ff;"><strong>Church of Archangel Michael</strong></span> in Moustafa Kamel, Raml Alexandria.The attack was planned by the following parties’ involvement:<br /><br />Sheikh Moustafa Mohammad of “Al Fatih Al Islami” mosque, which is considered a hotbed of extremism in Alexandria’s mosques. He also owns an Islamic publishing center called “Nashr Al Fatih Al Islami” His mobile number is 0105013151,<br /><br />Sheikh AbdulNasser Hussein,<br /><br />Sheikh Khaled El Khateeb, a Palestinian businessman.<br /><br />Islamic preacher, Sheikh Makram Abdul Raziq Kharrob, a lecturer of Islamic Jurisprudence at Al Azhar university, Samoha, Alexandria.<br /><br />Sheikh Gaballa Abu El Makarim Gaballa, also a a lecturer of Islamic Jurisprudence at Al Azhar university, Samoha, Alexandria.<br /><br />Sheikh Hisham Mohammad Mekkawy, a dentist and the president of Qasr Rawan hospital, Salsabeel medical center, and the charitable center for dentistry in Alexandria. His mobile numbers are 0125745602, and 0123782366.<br /><br />The agreement is to surround and attack the church of Archangel Michael after the Muslim Friday prayer on 12/01/2006. <span style="color:#cc0000;"><strong>The reason for this planned attack is the leaking of some rumors by the State Security to these Islamic groups, that the church is involved in preaching Christianity to Muslims</strong></span>, and the name of Father Augustinous Morris was specifically mentioned.<br /><br />The church is indeed active in serving the Coptic youth and providing spiritual support to them, especially in universities…thereby laying the foundation to produce good, loyal Egyptian citizens.<br /><br />It is noteworthy that there are signs being prepared for the planned action, with <span style="color:#cc0000;">“No to Preaching to Muslims”</span> and <span style="color:#cc0000;">“No to Baptizing Female Minors”</span>!This is a call to president Hosni Mubarak, and those in charge at State Security, …enough is enough,<br /><br />Rasha Nour11/29/2006<br /><br /><div align="center"><span style="font-size:130%;color:#6600cc;"><strong>+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+</strong></span></div><br />Isn't it ironic? A preacher whose job is to call others to Islam, plans an attack on a church he suspects of doing the very thing he does: preaching!!!!Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com7tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-1157816134911259792006-09-10T01:32:00.000+10:002006-09-10T01:35:34.936+10:00The Murder of Egyptian Dignity<div align="left">This is a time when awareness of human rights is probably at its highest. We have organizations all over the world that speak for the oppressed, seek news on abuses, demand justice and spread the awareness of what we are entitled to.<br /><br />As one of those fortunate enough to live in a true democracy, I and no doubt most of those around me are well aware of what we are entitled to. We have certain expectations that we are protected by the law as long as we abide by it. When we see a policeman or woman we do believe they are here “To serve and Protect” us. We know we have the right to feel safe in our communities…we have the right to enjoy our lives because we are good, free citizens who contribute to our societies.<br /><br /><strong>We are entitled to our dignity!<br /></strong><br />Amgad Mokhtar Hussein, a young Egyptian Muslim man, was to find out that as an Egyptian he had no right to such expectations. His story is stranger than fiction…or so it seemed to one accustomed to living in a society where rule of law is respected. In fact, hearing him tell what happened to him made me absolutely sick with horror and despair. (He was interviewed by Amr Adeeb on the popular program Al Qahira Alyaoum, or Cairo Today)<br /><br />Amgad and his wife are American University graduates, and he works for a cinema production company…he has practically no active involvement in any political movement.<br /><br />Amgad, his wife and a friend were traveling by bus to Al Qusseir (a town on the coast of the red sea). The bus was stopped by the police for an ID check…a regular occurrence on Egyptian roads and highways, particularly after the recent attacks on Sharm Al Sheikh. One of the policemen asked Amgad if he had a work permit. Amgad replied that he is going to Al Qusseir for holidays and does not intend on working there. The policeman oddly repeated the question several times, apparently not satisfied by Amgad’s answers. Then he asked Amgad to get off the bus.<br /><br />What ensued is a series of events that involve acts of torture to rival some of those we read about in Abu Ghreib in Iraq. Amgad was taken into an office and beaten severely by a mob of lower ranking officers. When Amr Adeeb asked him what he did while they were beating him, Amgad simply said “Initially I was trying to block the blows…but after a while, I was overwhelmed especially that I didn’t know why this was happening”<br /><br />Throughout the ordeal, the first officer dished out insults to the victim. If you’re thinking he was just swearing at him, think again! He made Amgad say those things aloud about himself threatening to beat him if he doesn’t comply…then beat him anyway each time he said them.<br /><br />At one stage, he made the other officers strip Amgad off his pants and cuff his hands to a desk. Then they proceeded to pull out Amgad’s pubic hair.<br /><br />Amgad was then made to lie on his stomach and crawl on his bare stomach and groin along the room. There was reference in Amgad’s account to the officer calling to the others to bring “a fake ###” along with references to raping Amgad. Amgad said the officer said to him “I’ll show you. You know I’m really into women and I prefer men” clearly threatening him with rape. Then asked Amgad to kiss his shoes and the shoes of all the others present.<br /><br />Meanwhile, and mercifully unaware of the horrors her husband is experiencing, Amgad’s wife was pacing outside the very building waiting for him and making some calls to her family. You see this couple is from well off and well connected families. When Amgad heard his wife’s voice while alone in his torture room, he understood she must be just outside the room and that she would also hear him if he yelled out loud enough. So he did…he yelled out that he was being tortured.<br /><br />It’s obvious that the family connections served Amgad then. It seems that the officer involved also started to understand just how much trouble he’d got himself into. Because another officer came into the room, gave Amgad his clothes and told him to put them on. Amgad was also offered some tea!!!!!<br /><br />Of course, and again due to Amgad’s family’s prominence, this officer has been suspended and an investigation is currently underway.<br /><br />But it’s bigger than just this. This isn’t about one incident…this is about abuse of power and corruption. It’s about the average Egyptian who has no rich father or family connections…who is speaking on his behalf?????????????? Who’s making him/her feel safe in their own country??????<br /><br />I sincerely thank the Lord for Amgad’s safety, and I applaud his courage in coming forward and speaking up so that justice can take its course, and the guilty is punshed. Maybe, just maybe, it will deter any other lowlife from repeating these atrocities.<br /><br />Time and time again we see that those responsible for protecting Egyptians and upholding the law are the first to trample the law. When will it stop? When are we going to have a real and a free judiciary system?<br /><br />Egyptian dignity is being murdered over and over again…is there even any hope left that we will one day revive it? </div><div align="left"><br />***<br /><br />Some references (sorry all in Arabic)<br /><br /><a href="http://www.ikhnaton2.com/whisper/node/265">Link</a><br /><a href="http://www.elfagr.net/">Link</a><br /><a href="http://www.tortureinegypt.net/viva_interior_ministry">Link</a><br /></div>Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com7tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-1157812319265058942006-09-10T00:21:00.000+10:002006-09-10T00:31:59.293+10:00Egyptian Christians Spend NIght in PrayerIn about two hours time (at 7:00pm in Cairo on Saturday 09/09/06), Egyptian Christians of all denominations will gather in the Cathedral of St Mark the Apostle in Al Abbasseya. They plan to spend the night in prayer to ask the Lord for strength and justice. This gesture is also intended to convey a message to the Egyptian authorities: We've had enough! They are asking for justice for all...regardless of faith...justice for all Egyptians.<br /><br />The great thing about this gathering, apart from the fact that we are finally speaking up more and more, is the unity demonstrated by the joining of Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant Christians.<br /><br />Being so far away, I can only pray with them from out here in Australia...the physical distance shortened by our bond in Christ. So please join us in prayer that the injustice experienced by so many of our fellow Egyptians would come to an end.<br /><br />God willing, I'll keep you updated with any further news on this.Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-1155715533159345532006-08-16T17:33:00.000+10:002006-08-16T18:05:33.496+10:00Reflections on Hani Sarofim's MurderPredictably, my last post on <a href="http://neferteeti.blogspot.com/2006/08/my-name-is-sarofimits-angels-name.html">Hani Sarofim's murder</a> attracted many comments. There were some that I attempted to answer in the comment section but found that it would take so much space, besides they raised important points that I needed to respond to. So I preferred to post it in a separate post.<br /><br />I'll start by addressing Mohammed's comment, because I feel it represents the views of many Muslims; particularly Egyptian Muslims, on the issue.<br /><br /><em>With all my respect to Hani,but he wasn't effective in his family to make the officer cares to force him.<br /></em><br />I'm sorry mate, i don't understand what you mean by this. Can you please explain it?<br /><br />If you had read the statement released by his familyyou would see the following:<br /><br /><span style="color:#990000;">"Hani was supposed to be on an official vacation of eight days, which would end on July 30th 2006. He also had two permissions for one other vacation, which would have finished on August 13th 2006"<br />"<strong><span style="font-size:130%;">كان باجازتة الرسمية ثمانية ايام نهايتها فى 30-7-2006 وعمل تصريحين باجازة ثانية من 4-8-2006 حتى 13-8-2006</span></strong> "<br /></span><br />Now don't you think this is suspicious? What kind of officer gets a 8 day break, returns to service only to get another break within a week? Why was there a permission issued for his holiday...and not one but two???<br /><br />His superiour officer was up to no good no matter what his motivation was.<br /><br /><br /><em>he don't understand Islam,because Islam so clearly says that:"Let there be no compulsion in religion<br /></em><br />As I said before, the presence of a certain law or teaching doesn't mean everyone will follow it.<br /><br />No faith and no book in the history of all humanity have more teachings about love, forgiveness, sacrifice, tolerance and humility than Christianity and the Holy Bible...<br />Does this mean no Christian ever does wrong?<br />Does this mean we are all angels?<br /><br />of course not!<br /><br />The point is Mohammed, you, and undoubtedly many Muslims like your good self, are more concerned with the "image" of Islam than they are with the victims that fall in Islam's name on a daily basis everywhere around the world.<br /><br />I am not a Muslim...I don't know where the problem is. Is it in Islam's teachings or in its followers interpretation?<br />That should be something all moderate and good Muslims get together and sort out.<br /><br />I am however, a Copt...my mother is Egypt and my Father is Jesus Christ. I do care that my brothers and sisters are being persecuted and victimised every day. I do care about seeking and communicating with good people from whatever faith who can look to their conscience and try to understand...to correct whats going on, each in their own way.<br /><br />*<em>It wasn't appropriate at all to put this picture on this website..If it wasn't for feelings of lived people,so for Hani(If it was his body)</em><br /><p>No? Would you say the same to the Arab media that continuously plaster images of injured, dead, bleeding and disfigured Palestinians and Iraqis (especially children)...at all hours exposing young children to these horriffic images on televisions, newspapers and magazines?????</p><p>At least I put a warning that the images are very disturbing...if people don't wish to view them...they didn't have to.</p><p>Finally, it is quite obvious you don't believe the events took place, and you are even doubting that this is his body.</p><p>That's fine...you have the right to your views. I assure you this is not a fabrication and that there are evidence to this effect. The truth will come out...but all in good time. For now, lets see what the investigation brings.</p><p> </p><p>Xavier;</p><p>Thanks for your comment Xavier.</p><p><em>Of course the officer will just get a slap on the wrist and he'll be transferred to another command.</em></p><p>I'm afraid you're overly optimistic about this Xavier!!! I don't even think the officer will get 2 hours detention!!</p><p>Red,</p><p><em>did anyone realize that if the matter is "seriously" investigated that there would only be one outcome.... the "culprits" are insane </em></p><p>Again, see my comment to Xavier...even insanity is an optimistic outcome here. Remember...this is the millitary...not some schmuck wandering the streets wih a sword.</p><p>David</p><p>As always, you hit the nail on the head. Nothing but the word of God could even begin to provide comfort in a situation like this.</p><p> </p><p>Marc</p><p>Long time no see...great to see you but not so great circumstances. </p><p><em>Everyone is involved whether they like it or not.<br /></em> </p><p>Unfortunately, you are correct. Most victims are those who realy have no vested interest...unfair but true.</p><p> </p><p>Desmond</p><p>Excellent point. I second your call for prayer for the perpetrators. This is indeed what our faith is all about.</p><p>Eyewitness</p><p>Yes, I also hope its not true...but sadly I'm confident it is. Like I said, all in good time.</p><p>Last but not least...Pete and Cminor</p><p>Great to hear from you as always...it's an honour to have you along on this journey.</p><p>To the Anonymous commentors</p><p>Thank you all for commenting.</p><p>Please see my response to an earlier comment about why this is not more widely broadcast.</p><p> </p><p>Everyone, please remember that this young man met a horrible end. No matter what your creed, race or belief...whether you believe the events or not...humanity says that we wish him eternal rest and wish his family comfort in their grief.</p><p> </p>Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com25tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-1155483175163741512006-08-14T01:27:00.000+10:002006-08-14T01:38:51.166+10:00“My name is Sarofim…it’s an angel’s name”<a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6432/1663/1600/hany1.0.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6432/1663/320/hany1.0.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a><br /><br /><br />Hani Sarofim is a handsome young Egyptian…from Upper Egypt…a real Egyptian.<br /><br />I have never met him…<br />But he is my brother.<br /><br />If you are Egyptian like us<br />If you grew up by her great Nile<br />If you love Egypt's sand and sun<br />If you smelled the Mediterranean at her Alexandria<br />Or gazed at the Pyramids at her Giza<br />Hani is your brother too.<br /><br />It pains me to tell you; our brother Hani Sarofim was murdered.<br /><br /><br />Tortured in fact, then his body thrown into the Nile as a sacrifice.<br />A sacrifice to ignorance and hatred.<br /><br />Hani Sarofim was just doing his duty to his country. Completing his mandatory service in the armed forces just like any young man his age. But out there in southern Aswan where he was stationed, his superior officer didn’t see that he was like any young man.<br /><br />Hani is a Copt. He had tattoos of the crucifix and of the Virgin Mother on his arms.<br /><br />Hani was subjected to humiliation and psychological torture as a result of his faith. He was repeatedly harassed by his superior officer in order to persuade him to convert to Islam.<br /><br />His sister in law Nessma says that at one time Hani simply answered the officer<br /><strong><em>“But my name is Sarofim…it’s an angel’s name”<br /></em></strong><span style="font-size:85%;"><em>(Translated from a script of an interview with the family)<br /></em></span><br />But his superior had other ideas;<br /><strong><span style="color:#660000;">When his leader asked him blatantly to reject Chrisitianity and convert to Islam, Hani refused and told him he would notify the military intelligence. The leader threatened him saying "Ok Hani, I will settle things with you!"<br /></span></strong><em>(see the full transcript at </em><a href="http://lanternix.blogspot.com/2006/08/new-coptic-martyr.html"><em>lanternix</em></a><em>)<br /></em><br />Shocking? Disgusting? Unbelievable?<br /><br />Yes!<br />But a reality.<br />It is a reality that Hani’s precious blood mingled with the water of the great Nile as if to eternally bind him to his Egypt.<br />It is a reality that his only crime was that he is a proud Copt.<br />It is a reality that his brutal death will quite likely go unpunished<br />It is a reality that horrifying as his death is…it isn’t the first. Hani joins a host of similarly proud Copts who chose to bear their crosses to the death.<br /><br />May the Lord rest your soul my dear brave brother.<br />+++<br /><br />Photos of Hani’s body are <a href="http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.meca-me.org/newsdetails.php?id=386"><span style="color:#cc0000;">here</span></a><br /><span style="font-size:130%;color:#cc0000;"><strong>Please note: the images are graphic and extremely disturbing. </strong></span>Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com22tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-1155278356403133052006-08-11T16:37:00.000+10:002006-08-11T16:39:16.406+10:00August Issue of the Independant CoptIt was released on the first of August...but I've been too ill to blog :)<br /><br />Check it out <a href="http://www.freecopts.net/english/component/option,com_docman/task,cat_view/gid,24/Itemid,57/">HERE</a>Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-1155278139011177972006-08-11T16:18:00.000+10:002006-08-11T16:36:16.540+10:00An Indictment of.....Ourselves????By now pretty much everyone is aware of the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4780815.stm">planned attack</a> on an American flight in Heathrow airport, and which was thankfully averted.<br /><br />Last night on <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/">Lateline</a> (an Australian news and current affairs show...the good kind) Tony Jones interviewed a terrorism expert, a Mr. Bill Durodie on the issue. The interview was fine, until the very last words spoken by Mr. Durodie....<br /><br /><span style="color:#330033;"><strong>"we would also have to ask ourselves what led them to do this. A point I often make in this kind of debates is that it's not so much what it is that attracts a few individuals to fringe radical organisations that we need to worry about, but rather what it is about our own society that it fails to attract quite often young, articulate, bright, energetic and ambitious individuals, that they feel so alienated from it that they look for something else to provide substance and meaning to their lives<em>. Surely, that's an indictment of ourselves as well</em></strong></span> "<br /><strong><em><span style="color:#330033;"></span></em></strong><br /><span style="font-size:85%;color:#000000;"><em>for the full transcript see </em></span><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1712371.htm"><span style="font-size:85%;"><em>here</em></span></a><br /><br />Hmmm, I don't know Mr Durodie!! I just don't know if I share this view with you. I mean with all due respect to your good self, I fail to see what it is about the Western world that would push these people to commit such crimes.<br /><br />The Western societies, are open, democratic, and tolerant to a large degree. They have received wave after wave of people migrating from their homelands to search for a better life. Provided those people with opportunity...some excelled, some got by, and yes some got nowhere. Above all, they were given a "fair go" like we say here in Australia...regardless of color, race, gender, or faith.<br /><br />Why do I say this?<br /><br />Because I'm one of those people. One of those who came here to search for a better life...and I do appreciate what I was given.<br /><br />It baffles me that after this, someone can turn around and blame this hatred and bitterness on the very community that opened up a door for them.<br /><br />I, for one, refuse to indicte myself for the diseased logic that would compell someone to harm hundreds of people...and why?<br />To make a point?<br />Because they're American?<br />Because they're going to America?<br /><br />Come on!!! really!!!Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-1153445782124780352006-07-21T11:16:00.000+10:002006-07-21T11:36:22.273+10:00The Power of the Common Cause- The Free Copts<strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#663333;">The power of the common cause<br /></span></strong><a title="PDF" onclick="window.open('http://www.freecopts.net/english/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=203','win2','status=no,toolbar=no,scrollbars=yes,titlebar=no,menubar=no,resizable=yes,width=640,height=480,directories=no,location=no'); return false;" href="http://www.freecopts.net/english/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=203" target="_blank"></a><br /><span style="color:#663333;"><strong>Written by <em>Neferteeti</em>, </strong></span><br /><span style="color:#663333;"><strong>The Free Copts <br />Friday, 14 July 2006 </strong></span><br /><br /><span style="color:#663333;"><strong>Ask any Egyptian who grew up in the 30s or 40s and they’ll tell you that they did not experience sectarian tension in Egypt as we know it today. Many of them observe horrific events like Imbaba, El Kosheh or Udayssat and simply ask <span style="color:#cc0000;">“what happened to us?"</span></strong></span><br /><br />Please see<strong><span style="font-size:130%;"> </span></strong><a href="http://www.freecopts.net/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=203&Itemid=41"><strong><span style="font-size:130%;">HERE</span></strong></a> for the full article.Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com15tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-1153235089616905202006-07-19T00:43:00.000+10:002006-07-19T01:04:50.546+10:00A Request to all Passers By...No matter who you are<br />or where you come from<br /><br />No matter who you think is in the right<br />and who is in the wrong<br /><br />If you go to mass<br />or keep the Sabbath<br />or look to Mecca when you pray<br /><br />Or if you don't believe in anything<br /><br />Please join in a prayer...<br /><br />For the innocent lives living the horror we are lucky to only watch on our TV sets<br />For the children who are losing their mothers and fathers<br />For the children losing their own innocent lives<br /><br />For the injured that they may heal<br />For the dead that God may rest their souls<br /><br />For the angry that they find peace<br /><br />For the confused that they may find their way<br /><br />For the leaders that they may find wisdom<br /><br />For Lebanon that it doesn't live through another war...God knows the last one did enough damage.<br /><br />For the Holy land that it soaks no more blood<br /><br />And for the world to remember our past mistakes....and not to repeat them.<br /><br /><br />The events of the past week have been horrific to say the least. True they may be happening "over there"...miles and miles away from most of us. But what kind of world are we leaving to our children if we simply just turn off the TV and forget about it?<br /><br />Forgive my bias but I'm going to let the Lord have the last word here:<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-size:180%;color:#000099;"><strong>ليضيء على الجالسين في الظلمة وظلال الموت لكي يهدي اقدامنا في طريق السلام</strong></span>.<br /><a href="http://www.enjeel.com/bible.php?bk=42&ch=1&vr=79#ver79">لو 1: 79</a><br /><br /><span style="font-family:lucida grande;font-size:130%;color:#000099;"><strong> To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. </strong></span><br /><span style="color:#000099;"><em>Luke 1:79</em></span>Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17290771.post-1153118280752261952006-07-17T16:20:00.000+10:002006-07-17T17:57:47.733+10:00More Belated Responses!!Dear Mohammed<br />Here's the second (and final) installment of response to your comments/question:<br /><br /><br /><div align="center">+++</div><div align="left">sons of prince were born away from the kingdom,but should they inherit hatred from the king?!<br /><br />Just to clarify, we do not believe that God hated Adam and Eve at all, nor does He hate us. God was saddened by their sin but never hated them. God’s punishment is clearly spelt out to Adam:<br /><br /><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;">17وَقَالَ لآدَمَ: «لأَنَّكَ سَمِعْتَ لِقَوْلِ امْرَأَتِكَ وَأَكَلْتَ مِنَ الشَّجَرَةِ الَّتِي أَوْصَيْتُكَ قَائِلاً: لاَ تَأْكُلْ مِنْهَا،<span style="font-size:180%;"> <em>مَلْعُونَةٌ الأَرْضُ بِسَبَبِكَ</em></span>. بِالتَّعَبِ تَأْكُلُ مِنْهَا كُلَّ أَيَّامِ حَيَاتِكَ. 18وَشَوْكًا وَحَسَكًا تُنْبِتُ لَكَ، وَتَأْكُلُ عُشْبَ الْحَقْلِ. 19بِعَرَقِ وَجْهِكَ تَأْكُلُ خُبْزًا حَتَّى تَعُودَ إِلَى الأَرْضِ الَّتِي أُخِذْتَ مِنْهَا. لأَنَّكَ تُرَابٌ، وَإِلَى تُرَابٍ تَعُودُ».<br /></span></strong><br /><span style="color:#000099;"><strong>17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' <em><span style="font-size:130%;">"Cursed is the ground because of you</span>;</em> through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.</strong> Genesis 3:17</span> </div><div align="center"><br /><span style="font-size:130%;">+++</span></div><p><span style="font-size:0;"></span></p><span style="font-size:0;"><p><br /></span></p><strong><em>Why you are better than those before coming of Jesus (in your belief)?!!</em></strong><br /><strong><em><br /></em></strong>On the contrary we don’t believe we are better than they at all! I think David’s explanation was excellent. Salvation on the cross may have happened at a certain moment in time…but it is not bound by time. God is not bound by time, so an act of God (who saved un on the cross) can’t be bound by time. Just as He is eternal, His salvation is eternal and has saved all who obeyed Him and lived by His law with honesty and humility.<br /><br /><p align="center">+++</p><p></p><p><br /><strong><em>Is Adam's sin like your daily sins?<br /></em></strong><br />The original sin is not like the sins we may commit in our daily life (see explanation in the <a href="http://neferteeti.blogspot.com/2006/04/dear-mohamed-original-sin-and.html">first post on this issue</a>) </p><br />Jesus saved us from the effect of the original sin and reconciled the Heavens and the earth. He gave us a clean slate if you like…its up to us to keep it clean or otherwise.<br /><br />Think of it this way:<br /><br />My father gave me a beautiful car and told me not to drive down a certain highway because it’s known to be dangerous.<br /><br />I go there anyway…and whaddya know? I have an accident!!! I’m OK, but my beautiful new car is no longer beautiful…dinted and scratched everywhere.<br /><br />I apologise to dad and he accepts my apology…I promise to listen to him from now on.<br /><br />What happens to the car? I can’t afford to fix it!<br /><br />Dad, because he is kind and loves me to death, fixes the car for me.<br /><br />Now I have my beautiful new car looking every bit as beautiful as ever.<br /><br />Whose responsibility is it now to keep it beautiful and look after it?<br /><br />Mine!!<br /><br />It is now up to me to be careful…to listen to dad’s advice…to keep away from danger.<br /><br />Of course, the above example is not an exact match for the need for salvation to free us from sin…but I do hope it helps clarify the issue.<br /><br /><br /><div align="center">+++</div><br /><strong><em>I think that God must be the Most Powerful,as a result when He want to cerate man by a nature,there is not any power which can change this desire.And regarding this belief,I can imagine if God asked a man before Jesus coming;Why you did this sin?So he will reply:It's not my sin,my creation have a fault!! </em></strong><br /><strong><em><br /></em></strong>Yes God is most powerful…yet sin exists. The concept of sin exists in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. I’m not sure what you are asking, because if you are questioning how sin exists in God’s creation then you would be questioning your own belief as well.<br /><br /><br /></em></strong><div align="center">+++</div><br /><strong><em>because Islam tells you to organize and resist-not kill-this lust and you'll paid by entering paradise,and if you didn't resist it so you'll be punished,if you replied the call of lust (by your free will)you'll be punished(in case you didn't repent),and if you replied the call of charity and good(by your free will)so you'll take the good retribution. </em></strong><br /><strong><em><br /></em></strong>Again, I don’t understand what you mean by “organise and resist”. Christianity doesn’t expect us to “kill” sin!!! Like I said sin exists in all walks of life. It is up to us to excerise our free will, strengthened by God’s love in our hearts to keep away…to refuse being dragged into a sinful life.<br /><br />What you say in that paragraph is exactly the same thing we believe: it’s up to us to choose!<br /><br /><br /></em></strong><div align="center">+++</div><br /><strong><em>Why?Because Islam is not related to any nationality,persons or people but it denotes submission and obedience to Allah. </em></strong><br /><strong><em><br /></em></strong>Also, Christianity is not bound to one race or group of people. The salvation was meant for all creation…not bound by time or by race or place.<br /><br /><br /></em></strong><div align="center">+++</div><br /><strong><em>So,we don't deny Judaism and Christianity,but we believe that they're in their origin are right,but because the task of guarding Holy books of both of them have been put on shoulders of their followers so they have been corrupted,but as for Qur'an Allah Himself guarded it from being corrupted : " We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). "15:9And look at Bible,and will find a lot of conflictions between all Bibles. </em></strong><br /><strong><em><br /></em></strong>Three problems I have here:<br /><br />1) God also says in the Bible that His word will not be altered:<br /><br /><strong><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;">35اَلسَّمَاءُ وَالأَرْضُ تَزُولاَنِ وَلكِنَّ كَلاَمِي لاَ يَزُولُ</span></strong><br /><strong><span style="color:#000099;"></span></strong><br /><strong><span style="color:#000099;">35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Matthew 24:35</span></strong><br /><br /><br />2) If God promises He will guard His word from corruption…how do you explain Him allowing Jews/Christians to corrupt it?<br />If the Almighty says “I will guard My word”…why didn’t He?<br /><br />3) Now I don’t know about you, but I for one read the Bible. There are different translations…but there are no conflict in the meaning between the translations.<br /><br />Also, I don’t understand what you mean by “Bibles”?? do you mean Gospels? Or translations of the Bible?<br /><br />And if you know what these conflicts are, could you give us an example? Perhaps you misunderstood the meaning or you have been misinformed. We could certainly explain this to you and at the end, you may decide you still don’t like the explanation…or that it did indeed clarify it to you.<br /><br /><br /></em></strong><div align="center">+++</div><br /><strong><em>and I've been always asking myself;How Christianity by the belief in Trinity is respecting mind?!!This belief can't be reached by mind at all<br /></em></strong><br />Well actually it can! Many people throughout history believed in this faith whilst being very intelligent and well educated.<br /><br />Perhaps you mean it cannot be accepted by <strong><em>YOUR</em></strong> mind? There is a difference here.<br /><br />There are many things in Islam that I know <strong><em>MY</em></strong> intellect cannot accept. It doesn’t negate <strong><em>YOUR</em></strong> acceptance of them…it just means I don’t sccept them. But I can’t judge your intellect by my bias. Similarly you should not judge others faith and intellect by your own.<br /><br /><br /><div align="center">+++</div><br /><strong><em>all prophets and messengers talked about the One God who have no son or wife.<br /></em></strong><br />We do not believe God has a wife either!!<br /><br /><br /><br /><div align="center">+++</div><br /><strong><em>God's nature is absolute and don't change by time,so if you thought about Trinity again you'll find that it existed after Jesus(in Christian belief)but before him there wasn't any Trinity. </em></strong><br /><br />God Has always existed…His nature doesn’t change…correct.<br />What has changed is our understanding of His nature<em><strong>.<br /></strong></em><br />The trinity has always existed Mohammed. The Gospel of St John the Apostle says:<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;"><strong>1فِي الْبَدْءِ كَانَ الْكَلِمَةُ، وَالْكَلِمَةُ كَانَ عِنْدَ اللهِ، وَكَانَ الْكَلِمَةُ اللهَ. 2هذَا كَانَ فِي الْبَدْءِ عِنْدَ اللهِ. 3كُلُّ شَيْءٍ بِهِ كَانَ، وَبِغَيْرِهِ لَمْ يَكُنْ شَيْءٌ مِمَّا كَانَ. 4فِيهِ كَانَتِ الْحَيَاةُ، وَالْحَيَاةُ كَانَتْ نُورَ النَّاسِ، 5وَالنُّورُ يُضِيءُ فِي الظُّلْمَةِ، وَالظُّلْمَةُ لَمْ تُدْرِكْهُ </strong></span><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;"><br /></span><span style="font-size:130%;color:#000099;"><br /><br /><span style="font-size:100%;">1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.<br />3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. </span></span><br /><br /></span></strong><div align="left"><br />The word here refers to Jesus Christ as does the Quran too:<br /><br /><strong><span style="color:#006600;">[171] O people of the Scripture! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Isâ (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was a Messenger of Allâh and <em>His Word</em>, which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allâh is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs<br /></span></strong><a href="javascript:showAya(4,171)"><strong><span style="color:#006600;">Sura</span></strong></a><strong><span style="color:#006600;"> 4 verse 171<br /></span></strong><br />Now I know this verse opposes the trinity but note the reference to Jesus as the word of God which is the point I’m trying to make…how do you explain Jesus being “The word of God” yet different to God? God being eternal: ie. Not bound by time…His word is as eternal as He is.<br /><br />Look, sorry I didn’t want to turn this into a debate. Our aim of this discussion is to clarify to you what we believe. I am well aware of the fact you do not believe in the trinity and have also read “tafseer” of the Quran regarding Jesus. So I’m not asking you to explain this verse to me. I’m merely using it to clarify a point.<br /><br />In a way, I know what the verse means to you as a Muslim…I’m, just telling you what it means to me as a Christian.<br /></div><div align="center"><br />+++</div><br /><strong><em>I'd like to direct your attention to an important point,when I say that Christian belief have faults I don't aim at irritating you but I just invite you to let your mind work,whether you find me right or wrong but just don't delete your mind. </em></strong><br /><strong><em><br /></em></strong>Mohammed; I know you don’t mean offence, but I can’t help but feel offended at your assumption that we don’t understand what we believe.<br /><br />For starters, how did you arrive at the conclusion that we don’t use our mind to understand our faith?<br /></em></strong><br />If its merely the result of your inability to comprehend Christian concepts then forgive me but this is arrogance. I said this before to Mohammed Meshref, it’s like me saying “Physicists don’t employ their intellect to understand physics” just because <strong><em>I </em></strong>don’t understand physics!<br /><br />Also, what you know about Christianity may not necessarily be a correct representation of what we actually believe. Hence, this discussion we are having to clarify some concepts to you. Of course you may still see these concepts as unacceptable to you…that’s fine, I’m not here to convince you of anything.<br /><br />Just be mindful of the fact that a bit of tolerance goes a long way. Don’t “delete” our right to believe and practice a faith that we see as every bit as acceptable and meaningful as you see your own faith.<br /><br />God's Peace and Blessings Be With You<br /><br />.Bent El Neelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15347973813150585945noreply@blogger.com7